Like Brexit it's a protest vote, and a sign that a large proportion of the respective countries don't feel the politicians are listening to them or representing their interests. I've not seen the backlash, but if it's anything like Brexit just calling voters stupid isn't going to help.
Trump and Brexit: What has happened to the world?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Preach.
Very apt point. The echo chamber effect is bad enough with people curating their own feeds by following and unfollowing, liking and disliking. But algorithms adapting to those behaviours magnifies it tenfold.
Yeah that's perfectly fair. The economic shitshow that was the UK in the 70's is a big part of why I'm so pro-EU.
Read the Letter Aaron Sorkin Wrote His Daughter After Donald Trump Was Elected President
The Oscar-winning screenwriter of The Social Network and mastermind behind The West Wing reacts to Donald Trump being elected the 45th president of the United States in a moving letter written to his 15-year-old daughter Roxy and her mother Julia Sorkin.
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NOVEMBER 9, 2016
Sorkin Girls,
Well the world changed late last night in a way I couldn’t protect us from. That’s a terrible feeling for a father. I won’t sugarcoat it—this is truly horrible. It’s hardly the first time my candidate didn’t win (in fact it’s the sixth time) but it is the first time that a thoroughly incompetent pig with dangerous ideas, a serious psychiatric disorder, no knowledge of the world and no curiosity to learn has.
And it wasn’t just Donald Trump who won last night—it was his supporters too. The Klan won last night. White nationalists. Sexists, racists and buffoons. Angry young white men who think rap music and Cinco de Mayo are a threat to their way of life (or are the reason for their way of life) have been given cause to celebrate. Men who have no right to call themselves that and who think that women who aspire to more than looking hot are shrill, ugly, and otherwise worthy of our scorn rather than our admiration struck a blow for misogynistic shitheads everywhere. Hate was given hope. Abject dumbness was glamorized as being “the fresh voice of an outsider” who’s going to “shake things up.” (Did anyone bother to ask how? Is he going to re-arrange the chairs in the Roosevelt Room?) For the next four years, the President of the United States, the same office held by Washington and Jefferson, Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt, F.D.R., J.F.K. and Barack Obama, will be held by a man-boy who’ll spend his hours exacting Twitter vengeance against all who criticize him (and those numbers will be legion). We’ve embarrassed ourselves in front of our children and the world.
And the world took no time to react. The Dow futures dropped 7,000 points overnight. Economists are predicting a deep and prolonged recession. Our NATO allies are in a state of legitimate fear. And speaking of fear, Muslim-Americans, Mexican-Americans and African-Americans are shaking in their shoes. And we’d be right to note that many of Donald Trump’s fans are not fans of Jews. On the other hand, there is a party going on at ISIS headquarters. What wouldn’t we give to trade this small fraction of a man for Richard Nixon right now?
So what do we do?
First of all, we remember that we’re not alone. A hundred million people in America and a billion more around the world feel exactly the same way we do.
Second, we get out of bed. The Trumpsters want to see people like us (Jewish, “coastal elites,” educated, socially progressive, Hollywood…) sobbing and wailing and talking about moving to Canada. I won’t give them that and neither will you. Here’s what we’ll do…
…we’ll fecking fight. (Roxy, there’s a time for this kind of language and it’s now.) We’re not powerless and we’re not voiceless. We don’t have majorities in the House or Senate but we do have representatives there. It’s also good to remember that most members of Trump’s own party feel exactly the same way about him that we do. We make sure that the people we sent to Washington—including Kamala Harris—take our strength with them and never take a day off.
We get involved. We do what we can to fight injustice anywhere we see it—whether it’s writing a check or rolling up our sleeves. Our family is fairly insulated from the effects of a Trump presidency so we fight for the families that aren’t. We fight for a woman to keep her right to choose. We fight for the First Amendment and we fight mostly for equality—not for a guarantee of equal outcomes but for equal opportunities. We stand up.
America didn’t stop being America last night and we didn’t stop being Americans and here’s the thing about Americans: Our darkest days have always—always—been followed by our finest hours.
Roxy, I know my predictions have let you down in the past, but personally, I don’t think this guy can make it a year without committing an impeachable crime. If he does manage to be a douche nozzle without breaking the law for four years, we’ll make it through those four years. And three years from now we’ll fight like hell for our candidate and we’ll win and they’ll lose and this time they’ll lose for good. Honey, it’ll be your first vote.
The battle isn’t over, it’s just begun. Grandpa fought in World War II and when he came home this country handed him an opportunity to make a great life for his family. I will not hand his granddaughter a country shaped by hateful and stupid men. Your tears last night woke me up, and I’ll never go to sleep on you again.
Love,
Dad
The Oscar-winning screenwriter of The Social Network and mastermind behind The West Wing reacts to Donald Trump being elected the 45th president of the United States in a moving letter written to his 15-year-old daughter Roxy and her mother Julia Sorkin.
by
NOVEMBER 9, 2016
Sorkin Girls,
Well the world changed late last night in a way I couldn’t protect us from. That’s a terrible feeling for a father. I won’t sugarcoat it—this is truly horrible. It’s hardly the first time my candidate didn’t win (in fact it’s the sixth time) but it is the first time that a thoroughly incompetent pig with dangerous ideas, a serious psychiatric disorder, no knowledge of the world and no curiosity to learn has.
And it wasn’t just Donald Trump who won last night—it was his supporters too. The Klan won last night. White nationalists. Sexists, racists and buffoons. Angry young white men who think rap music and Cinco de Mayo are a threat to their way of life (or are the reason for their way of life) have been given cause to celebrate. Men who have no right to call themselves that and who think that women who aspire to more than looking hot are shrill, ugly, and otherwise worthy of our scorn rather than our admiration struck a blow for misogynistic shitheads everywhere. Hate was given hope. Abject dumbness was glamorized as being “the fresh voice of an outsider” who’s going to “shake things up.” (Did anyone bother to ask how? Is he going to re-arrange the chairs in the Roosevelt Room?) For the next four years, the President of the United States, the same office held by Washington and Jefferson, Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt, F.D.R., J.F.K. and Barack Obama, will be held by a man-boy who’ll spend his hours exacting Twitter vengeance against all who criticize him (and those numbers will be legion). We’ve embarrassed ourselves in front of our children and the world.
And the world took no time to react. The Dow futures dropped 7,000 points overnight. Economists are predicting a deep and prolonged recession. Our NATO allies are in a state of legitimate fear. And speaking of fear, Muslim-Americans, Mexican-Americans and African-Americans are shaking in their shoes. And we’d be right to note that many of Donald Trump’s fans are not fans of Jews. On the other hand, there is a party going on at ISIS headquarters. What wouldn’t we give to trade this small fraction of a man for Richard Nixon right now?
So what do we do?
First of all, we remember that we’re not alone. A hundred million people in America and a billion more around the world feel exactly the same way we do.
Second, we get out of bed. The Trumpsters want to see people like us (Jewish, “coastal elites,” educated, socially progressive, Hollywood…) sobbing and wailing and talking about moving to Canada. I won’t give them that and neither will you. Here’s what we’ll do…
…we’ll fecking fight. (Roxy, there’s a time for this kind of language and it’s now.) We’re not powerless and we’re not voiceless. We don’t have majorities in the House or Senate but we do have representatives there. It’s also good to remember that most members of Trump’s own party feel exactly the same way about him that we do. We make sure that the people we sent to Washington—including Kamala Harris—take our strength with them and never take a day off.
We get involved. We do what we can to fight injustice anywhere we see it—whether it’s writing a check or rolling up our sleeves. Our family is fairly insulated from the effects of a Trump presidency so we fight for the families that aren’t. We fight for a woman to keep her right to choose. We fight for the First Amendment and we fight mostly for equality—not for a guarantee of equal outcomes but for equal opportunities. We stand up.
America didn’t stop being America last night and we didn’t stop being Americans and here’s the thing about Americans: Our darkest days have always—always—been followed by our finest hours.
Roxy, I know my predictions have let you down in the past, but personally, I don’t think this guy can make it a year without committing an impeachable crime. If he does manage to be a douche nozzle without breaking the law for four years, we’ll make it through those four years. And three years from now we’ll fight like hell for our candidate and we’ll win and they’ll lose and this time they’ll lose for good. Honey, it’ll be your first vote.
The battle isn’t over, it’s just begun. Grandpa fought in World War II and when he came home this country handed him an opportunity to make a great life for his family. I will not hand his granddaughter a country shaped by hateful and stupid men. Your tears last night woke me up, and I’ll never go to sleep on you again.
Love,
Dad
Cringe.
The reply:
ahahahahah feck off dad
Everyone laughed at me when I couldn't understand how preposterous it was to trust a computer generated model.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-wrong-predict-modern-democracy-a7406456.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-wrong-predict-modern-democracy-a7406456.html
I'm not sure all this 'white-lash' and 'angry white men' talk we are hearing is especially helpful. It simply helps to cement the divide that partly enabled Trump to get into power in the first place.
A few more worryings trends for me.
1. How the herd mentality and dumbing things down to cheap gimmickery is clearly beating logic and reason. Less intelligence and more bravado. Less content and more headlines. Voting "against the system" is brainless if it isn't coupled with a genuine and honest analysis of the alternatives. I understanding de-intellectualising things is important as well, in order to connect to and simplify for people. But there's a limit beyond which it does serous damage.
2. The seeming vacuum of morality. I'm not American but it's a sad reflection on American society that this clown is their leader. Yes, there's often angst again the system. But this is hardly the kind of man who you should feel remotely inspired by. For me, a man who speaks the way he does about Mexicans, African Americans and women, not to mention the things he's done to them, deserves a prison cell rather than to be revered
I can't disagree with any of your points, and both are indeed very worrying trends.
I've thought about this a bit now (because it goes so contrary to my experiences in the states) and actually now think it does make a little sense. Suppose you really believe Hillary is constantly lying, perceive all her talk about the middle class/ blue collar classes to be something she says just to appeal to you, her talking about latino's and blacks simply a play for their vote... Maybe we too would rather have the honest asshole than the smiling lying cheat?
Yes, because you seemed baffled by the actual concept of it. The fact that polls aren't always accurate (which we all already knew anyway) doesn't make the concept itself preposterous in the slightest. We use computer generated models in so many other areas that the idea of someone viewing it as some kind of mad witchcraft was pretty hilarious. It was like you'd only just landed in this century.
You mean honest as in showing a complete disregard for any factual basis for the arguments he puts forward?
Well he never really did make a secret out of his learning disabilities...
She isn't always lying though. And Trump isn't honest at all. In fact, its pretty evident that she's about as honest as your regular political. Trump is a lying machine. Half the time he makes it up as he goes.
The whole "he tells it like it is" is a complete con job. Being a wacko who says ridiculous things isn't being honest.
Not trying to be pedantic but you mean disenchanted, right?
Yeah I agree with you. I'm just trying to construct some kind of rational thought as to why so many people voted for that excuse of a New Yorker.
I think people sometimes confuse telling it like it is with saying terrible things.
Exactly.
Given that 55% of white American women voted for Trump, is it now acceptable for me to ask a white American woman if I can grab her by the pussy?
Are you a white, rich outsider that says it how it is?
I think that he means that they feel excluded, marginalized, not represented by the establishment.
And yet I was on the money.
who the feck is Aaron Sorkin?
TV producer and script writer acclaimed for award winning US TV drama series, THE WEST WING, which depicted life of the US president.
No my mother told me it's not acceptable. I'm getting mouthwash for Christmas.
About Trump getting elected? Sure, you might have been for all I know. It doesn't doesn't make your confusion at the idea of polling any less funny though.
I thought thats how democracy worked?
I'm not sure anymore
Whatever floats your boat dude. I'm not the one who put any faith in an absurd computer program.
Right. Just so we're clear though, you do understand that computer models have been part of things like physics, chemistry, biology, climatology, medicine, engineering, psychology, economics, flight, astronomy, ecology and social sciences since around the mid 20th century?
Doesn't that just end in World War 3?
Everyone laughed at me when I said the same thing.
No - I have edited my OP and moved the word feel for clarity.
Made all the more apparent seeing that a lot of dems are clamouring for a Michelle Obama run in 2020. I mean, on what flipping basis?!
She made a good speech once.