Turmoil in Brazil

[MTF]

But I don't agree that people deserve the governments they get. Removing an entire system of corrupt parties requires very painful changes, and these changes might harm the majority the most in the short-term. Corruption exists in all levels of power and that fact is the self-serving logic for perpetual corruption.*

*I've been reading some really well-written anti-foodie essays (because of the praise for Bourdain, whom I viscerally hate, in the other thread) and it seems to have inspired me to change my writing style, but I'm not sure that last line makes any sense.

I think it did. But that would be the stronger explanation if power were corrupt, but society outside of structures of power was not. I don't think that its the case, Brazil is generally not a society where morality or character is held in high regard, honesty is generally seen as a weakness.

All my family in Brazil believe tomorrow would be better and they have one thing in common "hope" but the brazilians I know here in New Jersey hate the politicians and they want the military to take over until new elections. The problem is if the military decides to stay a bit longer.

That was the plan in 64, they stayed through 89.

 

[Neutral]

So Brazil just put through a constitutional amendment which will cap public spending for the next 20 years!

Spending will fall inline with inflation.

Pretty drastic move - economy is in the shits, so radical moves are needed...but, 20 years!!!!

And we all know when stuff like this happens...health, education and welfare are hit hardest.

 

[Mozza]

So Brazil just put through a constitutional amendment which will cap public spending for the next 20 years!

Spending will fall inline with inflation.

Pretty drastic move - economy is in the shits, so radical moves are needed...but, 20 years!!!!

And we all know when stuff like this happens...health, education and welfare are hit hardest.

It'll never last. Another government will come along and dump it

 

[Neutral]

It'll never last. Another government will come along and dump it

It is a constitutional amendment...surely it can't just be done 'away with'

 

[steeeb]

It is a constitutional amendment...surely it can't just be done 'away with'

Surely another constitutional amendment can be made though?

 

[Neutral]

Surely another constitutional amendment can be made though?

of course - but, you'd think to make a constitutional amendment - there was a massive majority required. That sort of majority is not easily acquired in a 'democratic' country.

But the point stands - if in x amount of years - this becomes deeply unpopular, politicians from across the spectrum (including many that supported it) can unite and undo the amendment.

 

[Danillaco]

So Brazil just put through a constitutional amendment which will cap public spending for the next 20 years!

Spending will fall inline with inflation.

Pretty drastic move - economy is in the shits, so radical moves are needed...but, 20 years!!!!

And we all know when stuff like this happens...health, education and welfare are hit hardest.

This Constitutional Amendment is not all bad, it will make that the public spending don't skyrocket as we've seen for years until now. People keep saying it will take money away from Education and Health, but it won't. This year's budget for those two are were cut by billions, in scale of 20% (if I'm not mistaken) of all budget and this measure wasn't even applied. It happened because spending and corruption was out of control, coupled with the commodities decline, ruined everything.

If we have 12% inflation this year, that means next year's budget for all public administration can have a increase of maximum 12%. It would awful if we had opportunity to increase health and education by, say 20%, but couldn't due to this CA (I'm not certain, but if Congress aproves it, the budget can be risen for these areas). That most certainly won't happen, the money is not there to do it, and even if it is, to make sure it gets done is a whole other problem.

The problem in my opinion is that this measure have to be coupled with other measures, like the debit serving and it's analysis urgently. Has to do with at the same time this gets approved, the new president gives judges and prosecutors 40% raise. At the legislative houses there are no costs cutting for the congressmen, nor shrinking of their aides. They don't address the super salaries of judges and politicians that earn 2 or 3 times the salary cap and things like that. This measure will solve nothing by it self.

Welfare in Brazil is another huge problem. Not only there thousands of cases of fake benefits, as there are very few investments in education, there's a huge increase in the so called "nor-nor" generation. Young people that Nor study, Nor work. They just collect benefits indefinitely.

And there's another huge caos with retirement and social security.

The Olympics and World Cup were absolutely shambolic for Brazil, they should've never have taken place here, I think I even said it before. Major Cities can't pay their workers, crime is spiking and poverty coming back with a vengeance.

Populism and corruption destroyed Brazil. Things are really bad, and I think they'll get worse, before it gets better.

 

[MTF]

Shit hit the fan would be an understatement. More like somehow a manure factory collided with a wind farm.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-39957870

 

[freeurmind]

Left, right, socialist, conservative, those are just cloaks these scoundrels wear. They're all corrupt. That's why voting often seems like a pointless exercise. Politics and high office public service in the developing world has become a get rich quick scheme. So now are we to expect more political turmoil and unrest in Brazil? When will it all end?

So if Temer is impeached, will that lead to an immediate election or will they appoint another interim president?

 

[MTF]

Left, right, socialist, conservative, those are just cloaks these scoundrels wear. They're all corrupt. That's why voting often seems like a pointless exercise. Politics and high office public service in the developing world has become a get rich quick scheme. So now are we to expect more political turmoil and unrest in Brazil? When will it all end?

So if Temer is impeached, will that lead to an immediate election or will they appoint another interim president?

There will be pressure for an extraordinary general election, and other option would be election by the House of Representatives equivalent. Anyone can run (including myself!). This if Temer resigns or is impeached, of course.

 

[PedroMendez]

@MTF

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/05/world/americas/brazil-lula-prison.html

your wish might finally come true.

First president, who runs a country from jail? (I am not serious)

 

[Adisa]

The current government is full of criminals but imagine thinking Lula Da Silva is the answer?

 

[MTF]

@MTF

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/05/world/americas/brazil-lula-prison.html

your wish might finally come true.

First president, who runs a country from jail? (I am not serious)

I'm counting down the hours. 1:30 to go.

Tbf, he'll probably be moved to house arrest in not so long.

 

[Sweet Square]

Really good read/listen(From a left aspect)on what is happening in Brazil

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https://jacobinmag.com/2018/04/lula-jail-sentence-brazil-coup-democracy

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[freeurmind]