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Latest trick from the Lib Dems: Party literature disguised as a bona fide newspaper.
Gotta love the Brexiteers - leave EU for more 'sovereignty', complain when judicial sovereignty is enacted within our shores.Predictably Trumpian:
Boris Johnson ‘to curb legal challenges over Brexit’ in extraordinary attack on the courts
It's pretty crazy how much more criticism Labour get, obviously it's not unfounded but watching QT the other night and it Corbyn is getting grilled about antisemitism and absolutely nothing is said to Johnson about some of the racist stuff he has said, without even getting into his party.While it is valid that Labour aren't guilt-free of antisemitism within their party.
You need to put context into all forms of racism as well - for example Islamophobia just isn't given the equal treatment it should do as antisemitism.
The Muslim Council of Britain have asked the EHRC to investigate the Conservatives since 2018 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49763550
The EHRC actually gave the Tories 1 month to respond to complaints of Islamophobia in May https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...aints-ehrc-watchdog-theresa-may-a8918576.html
BJ promised to investigate Islamophobia when he was elected PM, he has since delayed the investigation.
Dozens of Conservative MP's have posted Islamophobic content online.
The list goes on & on - and that's before we get into, 'n****r in a woodpile', 'letterboxes' and windrush.
And yet - nothing has happened, why? Because Islamophobia isn't treated in the same way antisemitism is.
So yes, Labour are the only party that is under a formal EHRC investigation. However, Labour are far from the only institutionally racist political party (they all are), and discrimination against Jewish people is given priority over other forms of discrimination - in my opinion.
Is that real? That sort of stuff should really be illegal.Latest trick from the Lib Dems: Party literature disguised as a bona fide newspaper.
Jeez, that is quite literally fake news.Latest trick from the Lib Dems: Party literature disguised as a bona fide newspaper.
This is what makes it clear to me the Tories aren't the remotest bit interested or concerned by anti-semitism itself, but rather see it as a convenient muddy stick to beat Corbyn with. If they were genuinely appalled by the notion of anti-semitism or any form of bigotry, they'd start by actually taking the serious allegations within their own party seriously.It's pretty crazy how much more criticism Labour get, obviously it's not unfounded but watching QT the other night and it Corbyn is getting grilled about antisemitism and absolutely nothing is said to Johnson about some of the racist stuff he has said, without even getting into his party.
Then Corbyn is criticised for pretty much saying he's happy the EHRC are able to do their job, meanwhile the Tories seem to be obstructing an investigation and nothing is said.
Apparently it turns into the Conservative manifesto by Page 13.Jeez, that is quite literally fake news.
Apparently it turns into the Conservative manifesto by Page 13.
The headline Joe Swinson: The Prime Minister Britain Deserves is not necessarily a ringing endorsement.
It doesn't tend to work like that. Have you not heard the saying?Tbh it’s the same on all social media - you’ll see similar results on Twitter where Labour poll consistently higher than the Tories. It’s hardly surprising either, the most common demographic of social media consumers are the 16-40 age group who are more heavily inclined towards progressive politics.
It’s perhaps the one positive to take away from an otherwise bleak future - future generation of voters are likely to turn away from traditional conservative politics championed by the generations that preceded them.
That figures, seeing as the brain begns to deteriorate around that age..."If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain".
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So's Gove to be fair.Gove added: “He is a far, far better rapper than he is a political analyst.”
Simply getting older doesn't make someone conservative. The reason people tend to get more conservative the older they get is because they require more wealth - property for example but the millennial generation(And younger generations) will be first generation that won't be better off than their parents.It doesn't tend to work like that. Have you not heard the saying?
"If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain".
Life changes you, Having children is another thing that tends to move you to the right.....
Yeah having kids in particular changes your outlook a lot. Suddenly the impact of what you would lose if things go wrong magnifies 100 fold.It doesn't tend to work like that. Have you not heard the saying?
"If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain".
Life changes you, Having children is another thing that tends to move you to the right.....
It doesn't tend to work like that. Have you not heard the saying?
"If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain".
Life changes you, Having children is another thing that tends to move you to the right.....
This is a key point. The current and future younger generations won’t enjoy the economic prosperity the generations before them took for granted. It’s easy to dignify that tired trope when you’re living in a million pound house you bought in the 80s for 90k with a teachers salary and your healthy pension locked down.Simply getting older doesn't make someone conservative. The reason people tend to get more conservative the older they get is because they require more wealth - property for example but the millennial generation(And younger generations) will be first generation that won't be better off than their parents.
Social norms change as well - what was considered liberal in the 60s may end up being conservative now. Someone who was for civil partnerships but against gay marriage in the 60s would've probably been quite liberal compared to their parents; someone with that position now would rightfully be seen as conservative. There's a hint of truth in the fact that a lot of people become more conservative as they age but a lot of people mistake that as being a linear approach wherein someone completely abandons all left-wing ideals they had for a set of right-wing views. And even if young people now do become more conservative, the extent to which a lot of them in the UK aren't conservative at the moment is surely a worry for the Tories, who just aren't offering them anything attractive policy-wise.Simply getting older doesn't make someone conservative. The reason people tend to get more conservative the older they get is because they require more wealth - property for example but the millennial generation(And younger generations) will be first generation that won't be better off than their parents.
The age people become conservatives is moving older.It doesn't tend to work like that. Have you not heard the saying?
"If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain".
Life changes you, Having children is another thing that tends to move you to the right.....
I don’t have kids so perhaps the sentiment is lost on me, but I’d still counter by suggesting having kids would only make you apprehensive towards Tory economic policy, especially if you’re already struggling to get by. I don’t see how you wouldn’t be concerned by austerity, lack of child support subsidies or a lack of investment into state education. If you’re among those lucky few who’ve managed to accrue a fair bit of wealth then fair enough, but then you’d hardly be the norm.Yeah having kids in particular changes your outlook a lot. Suddenly the impact of what you would lose if things go wrong magnifies 100 fold.
Firstly imo, none of the parties can claim to be delivering "Brexit" as it were, except the Brexit party who probably won't even get a seat.if those seat estimates are true, then there is no real battle here or anything. What are/were the remainers thinking?!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opini...ted_Kingdom_general_election#Seat_predictions
Tories expected share of seats in last 5 estimates (in ascending order): 298, 349, 359, 361, 376-379
Some of the polls have such a high difference between polls done during the same time frame that it's hard to know which are accurate though.if those seat estimates are true, then there is no real battle here or anything. What are/were the remainers thinking?!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opini...ted_Kingdom_general_election#Seat_predictions
Tories expected share of seats in last 5 estimates (in ascending order): 298, 349, 359, 361, 376-379
The first figure (298) is the current position.if those seat estimates are true, then there is no real battle here or anything. What are/were the remainers thinking?!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opini...ted_Kingdom_general_election#Seat_predictions
Tories expected share of seats in last 5 estimates (in ascending order): 298, 349, 359, 361, 376-379
You have the UK's parliamentary electoral system to thank for that - unfortunately the number of votes a party receives doesn't proportionally translate to the number of seats they get. It also doesn't help that the remain vote is split between Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Greens etc, whereas the Brexiteers have pretty much all rallied around the tories. Remainers can offset this somewhat if they commit to tactical voting, but then you still have Lib Dem voters who refuse to vote for a Corbyn government, or Labour voters who refuse to trust the Lib Dems, and thats not even factoring in the Scottish nationalists.if those seat estimates are true, then there is no real battle here or anything. What are/were the remainers thinking?!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opini...ted_Kingdom_general_election#Seat_predictions
Tories expected share of seats in last 5 estimates (in ascending order): 298, 349, 359, 361, 376-379
Indeed, for all the stereotyping of Labour voters as young people who just want free stuff, the stats show that for the most part people in the working population are now opting for Labour or at least for anti-Tory parties now for the most part. Indeed, the people keeping the Tories afloat insofar as government is concerned are older voters no longer in the workforce.The age people become conservatives is moving older.
Pretty obvious why when you look at how are economy is now structured. Check the demographic breakdown from 2017, Labour win all age groups under 49...
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic...06/13/how-britain-voted-2017-general-election
I don’t think that the current Tory party is the only expression of conservatism, just as the current Labour Party isn’t the only flavour of social democracy. Plenty of Tories right now are as torn over Bozo as I am over Corbyn.I don’t have kids so perhaps the sentiment is lost on me, but I’d still counter by suggesting having kids would only make you apprehensive towards Tory economic policy, especially if you’re already struggling to get by. I don’t see how you wouldn’t be concerned by austerity, lack of child support subsidies or a lack of investment into state education. If you’re among those lucky few who’ve managed to accrue a fair bit of wealth then fair enough, but then you’d hardly be the norm.
This is a great overview. Also explains why you probably won’t have come across many people who’ve done them, and why that doesn’t matter.Can someone help me out here as I'm not that invested in politics?
Where do poll results come from? Do they only conduct polls in so-called "swing" states?
The reason I ask is I've never seen nor heard of anyone participating in them which suggests they're not accurate.
Thanks, will have a read.This is a great overview. Also explains why you probably won’t have come across many people who’ve done them, and why that doesn’t matter.
http://www.britishpollingcouncil.org/opinion-polls-guidance-for-journalists/
This is one of the reasons I feel that Brexit will (with hindsight) become recognised as a watershed in UK politics.The political system is a hundred years out of date, the two major parties are at least fifty years out of date. You have poor people voting for Tories, young people voting for the oldest out of date Boomer of all. People voting for parties they don't really support for tactical reasons and swing voters who do decide the results of the election being treated as having no values. What a mess.
How often are you back in the UK?We've had our postal votes today out here in Italy, in good time. Any other overseas voters had theirs?
If scotland leaves then with the existing constituencies i think it would take a massive blair like swing to see anybody but the conservatives in power for the forseableThis is one of the reasons I feel that Brexit will (with hindsight) become recognised as a watershed in UK politics.
Because following on from Brexit the value of continuing with an unwritten constitution is likely to be challenge; when it becomes the norm when a weak opposition is operating, for the best way to oppose the government of the day will be for pressure groups to resort the to courts. When Speakers change the accepted rules (Erskine & May); when political driven proroguing of Parliament, etc. are all issues needing to be covered by a written constitution for the future. Whatever Sovereignty may be returned to the UK Parliament as a result of Brexit will be lost in a unstable political environment.
It's not the negotiation of a Trade Agreement with the EU that will take up and create momentum after we leave because such things can be done as fast or as slowly as both sides want; it will be the political turmoil left over in the UK, including the possible break up of the Union, that will cast the shadow. If one party, whichever, is returned with a large majority, then they may be able to steady the ship and enforce a way forward; however a divided parliament will do for us all, because the system currently is set up for winner to take all and as we've seen with the opposition fragmented and unable to agree, political inertia follows.
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Yes exactly, with a UK made up of truly independent countries, England, Scotland and Wales having their own independent Parliaments and still being referred to as GB and with NI in a Confederation of Irish States with the Republic, and with some affiliation to the (new) UK then you could say there is likely to be a Tory Government elected in England in perpetuity. Labour is too far left now to reconstitute a Blairite second coming.If scotland leaves then with the existing constituencies i think it would take a massive blair like swing to see anybody but the conservatives in power for the forseable
except for blair and just after WW2 would the conservatives have won every election since WW2 without scottish MP's included? - im not sure but i wouldnt be surprised
Never, as from last July (well, occasionally to visit family, but we don't have anywhere to live there now). We've moved here permanently. I believe we can vote for 15 years.How often are you back in the UK?