I'd like to see us go through with it so Brexiteers can see the full impact of British people not wanting to do all the jobs the low-skilled foreign workers do.
UK Immigration: No visas for low-skilled workers
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
You need some sort of intelligence and self awareness to know you are wrong.
They will just look for someone to blame.
"Can't even get a plumber round me 'ouse teh fix de pipes, this isn't the Bricksit we voted fer! F*ckin EU stoppin' all the plumber lads enterin' the country!"
Good point, well made.
One (small) good thing about the end of FoM is that politicians will have to take responsibility for immigration policy from now on. PMs & Chancellors for decades have loved immigration because it boosts the economy and pours tax into the coffers, but when challenged about it were like "Oh right, yeah, well obviously we'd love to lower immigration but y, know, the EU won't let us. Out of our hands, sorry". Cameron was the worst at this. It absolutely contributed towards EU antipathy that led to Brexit.
Now we might actually see a bit more honesty (from some quarters anyway) about immigration as future Government's are forced to defend using immigration to grow the economy, or accept the economic consequences of keeping it lower.
Now we might actually see a bit more honesty (from some quarters anyway) about immigration as future Government's are forced to defend using immigration to grow the economy, or accept the economic consequences of keeping it lower.
This exactly. I know too many of them as they don't budge.
Damn foreigners not coming over here and doing the jobs we never wanted to do anyway.
Yep. It's exactly what the Tories (well, Boris and his clan of idiots) said they were going to do.
It's also what a lot of the brexiters want...or will want until it actually happens and they are on TV moaning about the fact there is now no one to do the unskilled jobs and they are still having to bring people in from the EU to do the specialist ones.
This is all very dangerous in the medium to long term. Ideals like this are all based on the false truths and reality Boris and his like have created over time...so they are now implementing solutions to problems that don't actually exist. A bit like not drinking water because you convince yourself that drinking it will cause you to drown.
The obvious stuff like farming and care workers is being flagged up, but there's the bigger picture in terms of the impact this would have on the economy. The Construction/building industry is heavily flooded with EU workers or builders. Supermarkets, restuarants, shops, etc. There aren't actually floods of British people out there looking for these jobs, and there aren't automated machines out there capable of doing them either...and even if there were I don't get how that's a good thing.
That was an interesting article. It almost seems like rural Australia has their own eyes in the hills.
Sounds like 1930s Germany.
If it was just the wages then I’d completely understand, but it’s the harder working part that pisses me off. I was waiting on a contract for my current job for months, so I went and worked in a warehouse for a few months to bring in some cash and pass the time. It was 75% Polish and Romanians and they worked their asses off almost without exception, were on time, and were reliable. They had a laugh on breaks, but work time was for work. The older British workers were the same, and were class. The young British ‘workers’ though were largely lazy, unreliable and spent as much time fecking around as they did actually doing the job. They were obnoxious to people, damaged merchandise playing stupid games, and were about half as productive as the others. They sulked if they got told off, quit at the drop of a hat, and just moved between these kind of jobs any time the job center threatened to cut off their dole.
It’s easy to think it’s just Daily Mail/boomer whining when you hear about ‘the youth of today’ and all that, but when you see it first hand it does make you wonder how the feck these industries are going to survive once you remove the foreign workers. Britain desperately needs to find a way to get youngsters willing to properly engage in manual work again.
Skill shortages in the construction industry is skyrocketing . And cuts to training as not helped. The headline of stopping low skilled workers is just a smokescreen for the many skilled Eu and other oversea workers that they will need to come in to fill the gap.
When we leave the EU we will be able to genetically modify our food to pick itself.
- "You can't come work as a roofer, you don't meet English language requirements"
- "But I'm coming to work as a roofer not a teacher? I'll improve my English when I'm there!"
- "Do one"
Construction worker shortage, house building targets missed, property prices rising due to shortage of supply, generational divide in property ownership widens fuelling resentment.
At least the bloody foreigners are kept out.
- "But I'm coming to work as a roofer not a teacher? I'll improve my English when I'm there!"
- "Do one"
Construction worker shortage, house building targets missed, property prices rising due to shortage of supply, generational divide in property ownership widens fuelling resentment.
At least the bloody foreigners are kept out.
Healthcare (nurses and care workers) is also expected to be impacted much. I'd like to see them automate this 
There was an article on dutch news last night about limiting the amount of eastern europeans here. So its not just the uk.
National Service and regular thrashings with the cane would be the boomer answer.
Thanks for sharing. Do you think the young British kids you saw would have behaved the same way if they were earning 50% more? I've got a theory that young British mess around in these jobs because it isn't worth enough to them, the difference between the pay and the dole doesn't make too much difference, and probably doesn't compensate for the faff of working (especially if you can occasionally get some cash in hand work while also claiming benefits). Is there a case for this or would any salary level not be enough to motivate them?
I quite like the idea of non-military national service between 17-19, combined with on the job training. Take a year off school and then send kids to university at 19 when they've got a better idea of what they want to do, or if they want to continue working.
Isn’t it £70 a week? Unless you’ve got kids etc. Even a low paid job is going to get you 4/5 times more than that.
I watched a recent documentary on universal credit and it seemed like those who went into full time work on minimum wage £130 per month better off, which isn't great, especially if you can get the odd cash in hand gig.
I used to work for a place that purposefully requested migrant workers from the recruitment agency when filling the picking lines on a temporary basis. It was for exactly that reason, they turned up and worked hard. Their British counterparts turned up late or hungover and fecked about all day
I think it honestly starts at school level.
Those that aren't clever enough to do something they want or more likely are clever enough for something but it's born into their culture to despise intelligence and shit on those that work hard and instead embrace pissing about because they've got their dole at the end of the day.
I have to do it all the time as a TA, working with kids completely disenfranchised with the idea of doing well in school through whatever means, trying to reach them so that they realise it's okay to be good at 'something' rather than just mess around because they think they're shit and it's okay to be shit.
I have no idea what it's like in other countries but the education system here is failing those at the lower levels and is only interested in the really smart kids. The majority just end up not caring and then get in with the wrong crowd of likeminded people and you lose them then, they're effectively useless for the rest of their lives because they've no work ethic or desire.
Psychologically all the people dossing about between jobs and dole and working 1/8th as hard as foreign workers whilst causing 200x the trouble have been moulded to be anti-intelligence and anti-working hard. Something has to change.
Perhaps if we engaged them to have an open mind and focus on their own qualities, they might be less likely to tear strips off those that they're jealous of and less likely to blame their own shite lives on foreigners (let's face it, it incentivises them to be lazy even when thinking about the problem) because they'll have an awareness of where people are at and some empathy.
But that's a dream...
Those that aren't clever enough to do something they want or more likely are clever enough for something but it's born into their culture to despise intelligence and shit on those that work hard and instead embrace pissing about because they've got their dole at the end of the day.
I have to do it all the time as a TA, working with kids completely disenfranchised with the idea of doing well in school through whatever means, trying to reach them so that they realise it's okay to be good at 'something' rather than just mess around because they think they're shit and it's okay to be shit.
I have no idea what it's like in other countries but the education system here is failing those at the lower levels and is only interested in the really smart kids. The majority just end up not caring and then get in with the wrong crowd of likeminded people and you lose them then, they're effectively useless for the rest of their lives because they've no work ethic or desire.
Psychologically all the people dossing about between jobs and dole and working 1/8th as hard as foreign workers whilst causing 200x the trouble have been moulded to be anti-intelligence and anti-working hard. Something has to change.
Perhaps if we engaged them to have an open mind and focus on their own qualities, they might be less likely to tear strips off those that they're jealous of and less likely to blame their own shite lives on foreigners (let's face it, it incentivises them to be lazy even when thinking about the problem) because they'll have an awareness of where people are at and some empathy.
But that's a dream...
Vile vile human being
The education system isn't free at any level of study in Peru.
However, families with money can send their kids to schools that specialize in certain areas.
My fiancee went to a senior school with a strong emphasis on writing and she's a journalist by trade now.
Her brothers went to their own special schools and they are an engineer and a dentist.
Well we used to have the apprenticeship system where lots of the thick could learn a trade.
But we could trick them into it back then as social media wasn't around to make them geniuses.
What age to you think it starts at? Judging from my own limited experience of my own and my partners kids and their friends, at primary school the kids are open to hard work and achievement, then at secondary school it all falls apart
We need savvy social media folk to create campaigns to trick them.
It was better when they didn't know any better. Lucky for me I got identified as clever by my Primary School teacher, given extra work to prep for the 11+, which helped me get to a great Grammar School.
Agreed. I was too immature at the age and we really need to have our head screwed on right then.
I had to sit A-levels 20 years later.
Yeah it does seem that there's a definite cut off and secondary school is a free for all but the actual psychological damage can be seen in primary schools.
If it's just those that never get credit but are also never naughty or if it's genuinely the naughty kids they're already being taught that they aren't worth shit so why bother.
It just gets polarised at high school cause they get put into sets and once you're in bottom set you're basically feral, you and your mates feck around in and out of school and your only punishment is that you get expelled which means you can actually stay off anyway (never got how bunking off equals an expulsion which is just what they were doing anyway) and the teachers don't give a shit about you.
I know how hard it is for teachers but the positive mindset has to be imbued early on for all kids and not just the ones that actually wanna learn. It's part of why TA's were brought in, to help with kids that the teacher doesn't always get chance to see.
There's a kid in Y6 now at my school that's always getting sent out and is always on detention/1 to 1 at break time and I spent most of Friday walking round the playground with him asking whether it has any effect on him whatsoever and he said it didn't because nothing matters and he doesn't listen to anyone who tells him off because it doesn't matter to him.
If he's like that at 11, what's he gonna be like at 16? 18? 48? Had to dole out a life lesson but even then I doubt it helped, he needs the message reinforcing but with an added dose of 'what do you think you're good at and what do you wanna do about those things you're good at to make your life better?'.
Well I ended up acting the twat at Grammar, left with 2 O' levels and bounced around wasting for a few years. Finally got me degree in my 30s having absorbed that great education and retained it enough to breeze through college.
Can I ask what you think is specifically xenophobic about this?
I've seen this word banded around quite a bit today about the policy but am struggling to see the xenophobia there.
Memes are the best thing ever invented.
They weren't invented with the stampede to interwebland though. Just digital versions of which all levels of intelligence can participate.
Even cats.
I listened to an interesting radio show a few years ago about different teaching styles in different countries (bear with me....) with a Chinese and British maths teacher.
Not saying the Chinese way of teaching is better at all but their teacher was shocked that we split the children into sets from a young age based on ability.
From her perspective, it was essentially telling the child from a young age 'you're shit at maths/ science/ English /whatever, we've kind of already given up on you and therefore... What's the point?
It was a powerful point which if I'm honest, I'd never considered before.
I said this policy appeals to the xenophobic and racist voters, the government look like their cracking down hard on immigration and people eat it up and warm to the tories. The Windrush deportations are also part of this.
This policy you could argue isn't racist, it discriminates against everyone who isn't a UK citizen but it's intention is to appeal to people who are racist and who are xenophobic. I use both terms because I don't know exactly when xenophobia becomes racism and vice versa, the two overlap in this case.
Agree with this to an extent.
I was only aware of different learning styles of people when I attended a sales coaching course many years ago.
Some kids need a visual representation. Some written, some need shown now first and some need to trial and error with somebody to guide them.