Martial
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Joint forth with City in the fewest goals conceded from open-play in the league so far this season.
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And Onana made 1 or 2 saves unless I'm mistaken.Luton had 22 shots against us
Sack haggy sell OnaniAnd Onana made 1 or 2 saves unless I'm mistaken.
He made 3 saves and had a “prevented goals” of -0.16And Onana made 1 or 2 saves unless I'm mistaken.
And only scored 1. I’ve noticed a lot of teams do tend to have halve of there shots outside the box against us that’s why the stats are always ridiculously high. West Ham kept shooting from miles out against us, that’s why they had 20+ shots. Anyone can do that and you can say you battered the opponents on chances. Doesn’t always tell the real story.Luton had 22 shots against us
It genuinely amazes me people don’t understand how irrelevant this stat in isolation is. If we took a random caf member and they played ST for 90mins for a PL team, they could probably register at least 10 shots. None would trouble the keeper of course, but apparently it would show a poor defence.Luton had 22 shots against us
I asked myself the same question. It feels like heavy copium.What's the point of the thread? Conceding almost a goal per game from open play in addition to a heap of goals from set pieces is hardly badge of honor worthy.
Edited my post. Somehow I was looking at the Villa game
I was taking the piss out of the people who kept posting the stat without context or actually watching the game.And only scored 1. I’ve noticed a lot of teams do tend to have halve of there shots outside the box against us that’s why the stats are always ridiculously high. West Ham kept shooting from miles out against us, that’s why they had 20+ shots. Anyone can do that and you can say you battered the opponents on chances. Doesn’t always tell the real story.
I know, you can see my real opinion just above but I completely agree with you.It genuinely amazes me people don’t understand how irrelevant this stat in isolation is. If we took a random caf member and they played ST for 90mins for a PL team, they could probably register at least 10 shots. None would trouble the keeper of course, but apparently it would show a poor defence.
Blocked shots count in those stats as well. Basically a defence can shut down and smother every shot to make sure it doesn’t even reach the keeper yet the stats would read we let 20 shots on our goal.It genuinely amazes me people don’t understand how irrelevant this stat in isolation is. If we took a random caf member and they played ST for 90mins for a PL team, they could probably register at least 10 shots. None would trouble the keeper of course, but apparently it would show a poor defence.
Look at the xG For and Against this season and then you’ll see it is a reason for concern.Blocked shots count in those stats as well. Basically a defence can shut down and smother every shot to make sure it doesn’t even reach the keeper yet the stats would read we let 20 shots on our goal.
These stats are far too broad. There are entire departments that are used to make sense of data yet we place so much on superficial stats that it supersedes what we’re seeing on the pitch
Exactly it’s not even on target (and even that doesn’t really mean much). Simply a shot.Blocked shots count in those stats as well. Basically a defence can shut down and smother every shot to make sure it doesn’t even reach the keeper yet the stats would read we let 20 shots on our goal.
These stats are far too broad. There are entire departments that are used to make sense of data yet we place so much on superficial stats that it supersedes what we’re seeing on the pitch
Agree the '22 shots' is a flawed stat. But we still let them have far too much a go at us. Genuinely thought they deserved a draw out of that at least. It was a poor performance but does not negate some of the recent quality that we have seen.Blocked shots count in those stats as well. Basically a defence can shut down and smother every shot to make sure it doesn’t even reach the keeper yet the stats would read we let 20 shots on our goal.
These stats are far too broad. There are entire departments that are used to make sense of data yet we place so much on superficial stats that it supersedes what we’re seeing on the pitch
Fair enough mate. I’m absolutely with you. I’ve said it multiple times… teams can shoot from all over the place and that suddenly makes them the better team in some people’s eyes.I was taking the piss out of the people who kept posting the stat without context or actually watching the game.
Unfortunately single stats get hijacked to try to prove personal opinions, however stats don't exist in a vacuum and there is usually a wider context to be taken into account.
Many posters on here don't do that though.
How did they deserve a draw? Did you not see the chances we missed? We should have scored at least 5. I can’t really remember them missing any proper chances. They scored the 1 decent chance they got. All the others was shots from all over and blocked ones.Agree the '22 shots' is a flawed stat. But we still let them have far too much a go at us. Genuinely thought they deserved a draw out of that at least. It was a poor performance but does not negate some of the recent quality that we have seen.
Shows we're actually in a title challenge. We just don't see it yet.Don't see how this is useful.
I'd be interested in knowing how many shots we've conceded in the league this season. I'm terrified of a battering this season.Luton had 22 shots against us
nah. if i had 10 shots, i’d score 11 goals.It genuinely amazes me people don’t understand how irrelevant this stat in isolation is. If we took a random caf member and they played ST for 90mins for a PL team, they could probably register at least 10 shots. None would trouble the keeper of course, but apparently it would show a poor defence.
I’ve posted above the xG table based on shots for and against. The truth is we have “got away with it” a lot more than other teams. We would be expected to be 15th on average at the moment.I'd be interested in knowing how many shots we've conceded in the league this season. I'm terrified of a battering this season.
There was a stat posted in match day thread against Luton, we had conceded as many shots as they had. Can`t remember what that number wasI'd be interested in knowing how many shots we've conceded in the league this season. I'm terrified of a battering this season.
Ya 4 shots on target, couple of them tepid. Loads of hopeful punts at goal isn't a worryAgree the '22 shots' is a flawed stat. But we still let them have far too much a go at us. Genuinely thought they deserved a draw out of that at least. It was a poor performance but does not negate some of the recent quality that we have seen.
Everton have actually conceded fewer goals than us this season overall as well. They have joint 4th best defense.Talk about scrapping the barrel. You must surely see what a pointless stat this is with Everton conceding less.
Rather it shows that they had the opportunity to hit 22 shots. A big club taking itself seriously wouldn't allow it. City, Liverpool and Arsenal have far less shots conceded taking into account all struggled at LutonIt genuinely amazes me people don’t understand how irrelevant this stat in isolation is. If we took a random caf member and they played ST for 90mins for a PL team, they could probably register at least 10 shots. None would trouble the keeper of course, but apparently it would show a poor defence.
It actually paints a grim picture. Comparing an attacking possession based team vs a team that sits back and counter on opportunity. Latter should concede less than the former.Joint forth with City in the fewest goals conceded from open-play in the league so far this season.
I read an article saying that goalie stats are flawed in more ways than any other because it is so hard to compare due to playing styles. For instance, they used Lloris as an example. Under one manager, they would play a high line which normally results in few shots against, but the shots that do come are often difficult to save, meaning that statistically that season Lloris struggled and was one of the poorer goalies. The next season they changed manager and tactics with a much lower defense, and subsequently there were more shots, and Lloris' save percentage and also xG (cumulatively) went up. You could see a pattern where the same goalie would have very different results under different managers because of this effect.This exposes the problem of XG. I was flat out told it’s fact that if you concede so many shots in goal over a season then you’ll concede one or two a game. We also have the fourth best defence in the league and that’s come out of nowhere since December odd. I remember conceding 3 goals 4/5 games in a row or something stupid.
Who knew marking strikers out of the game and having their DM shoot from 25 yards out instead of recycling the ball and getting moved around wasn’t a bad idea?