Haha yeah. Nothing worse than worrying about United whilst laying on a beach.
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I think the Sagna signing might make sense (i posted in the Sagna thread) but yeah, hopefully he builds for the future and not just his tenure in charge
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Very good read, it explains a lot of things. Couldn't help but crack a smile when i read the paragraph about the fitness issues: [On his fitness training program]... The players find it very enjoyable. It’s less strenuous and boring than all that endless running. No wonder why RvP is smiling again
Can someone please post that Schmeichel article. I've finished my free quota..
Can someone please post that Schmeichel article. I've finished my free quota..
COMMUNICATION
Monday is an important day. At Ajax, the medical treatment sessions on this day were extended when I took over, because this is one of the occasions when players talk to each other spontaneously.
There is also a detailed post-mortem of the last match. In the early days, the discussion was more of a monologue by the coach - i.e. myself. Thanks to my approach, the first reactions quickly followed and genuine dialogues were soon taking place. Progress was very fast in this field.
Each training session is a form of communication. The drills themselves are not so important, it is more a question of what you do with them. During training sessions the players see what a coach wants. I often stop the practice games and challenge the players to think about the soccer problems they are facing. Thanks to my 11 years as a teacher, I have enough experience to know whether I need to step in or keep quiet. Naturally, I explain more to youngsters than to an experienced player of 30, who is set in many of his ways and is probably incapable of changing them.
The media frequently portray me as an authoritarian figure, who thinks he knows it all. The people who work with me every day know me better. I learn something new every day from the people around me – from the players, medical staff and my assistants.
On Thursdays we discuss each individual player with the whole support team. I also ask everyone to say what he feels about the previous game and what he thinks about the next opponent. I talk to players every day. It is then my task as leader of that team – and I very definitely count the players as part of it – to make a selection from all the information available and to decide on the course to be taken. I then expect everyone to support this course in public, because to do otherwise is simply asking for problems.
We also do a lot of video work: when I play European clubs, I regularly use these in preparations. It’s useful to use tapes to demonstrate important details like, for example, fixed patterns of play. I don’t just pick out specific details from a game: for example, watching a tape of a whole first half is usually more worthwhile than just picking out a few highlights. In that way, you can figure out why a team adopted certain tactics and then you can examine them.
I don’t place much value on the popular videos showing the best goals scored by strikers. I always look at strikers in relation to the team as a whole. When is a striker most alert, how does he react in certain situations, and what are his fixed patterns of play? I try continually to get players to watch games in this way. If you make them aware of this as often as possible, they automatically start to look at games on television differently.
TEAM-BUILDING
When I introduced the term ‘team-building’ to the Dutch soccer world in my first season at Ajax, a number of journalists made fun of me. One newspaper, for example, published a photo in which the players and I were holding hands in a ring while playing a game of headers. The caption was accompanied by a mocking remark about the term ‘team-building’. But carrying out such an exercise is no more than a small cog in a large wheel.
In soccer, everything depends on the team aspect. All players have to learn to put the team interests first. At Ajax, on the evening before an important European Cup game against Gent, I asked my striker John van Loen what he thought was the best system to play against this solid Belgian team. John replied:
“4-3-3, coach.” He knew very well that he would not be picked if we played this system, but at such an important moment, John put the interests of the team first. That gives a coach huge satisfaction.
FITNESS
I have my own ideas about fitness training. The good physical condition of the side as we approach the end of the season is no coincidence. But I first had to stick my neck out. It is important how you train: do you want players to be mentally fit or do you just aim to ensure that they are in good condition?
We used to be taught that endurance was ever so important as a basis for soccer players. You acquire a different type of muscle tissue if you concentrate too much on endurance. It is important to avoid excess acidification at the start of the preparation period, and to allow players to do interval training (in doses) at an early stage.
The players find it very enjoyable. It’s less strenuous and boring than all that endless running. I should know: I remember my own days as a player. I was always at the back when we did endurance training. On a good day I could just keep up. On the field, however, I used to run more than other players.
THE LEGENDARY ‘NOTEBOOK’
The notebook I always have with me in the dug-out attracts a lot of remarks. For me, it’s an extremely valuable aid, so it’s not important what other people think. First I always jot down the collective mistakes that go against the pre-planned tactics. That’s the most important aspect.
Next, I always note down individual mistakes, of course. This way I have a logical sequence of aspects about which I can talk to the players during the interval. That’s why I find a list so useful. The chance of forgetting something important is negligible.
In addition, I use my notes for the post-match team talk and for other forms of communication with players and, of course, for putting together the drills for the training sessions after the game is over. If you don’t put pen to paper, you’ll forget something.
TEAM-TALKS
I believe that a team-talk after the game is also important. You can indicate exactly what went well and what went badly. You can pick out individuals, but you can also address the group as a whole. Above all, the group process is important to me. If, in the team talk, I pick out the strengths of a given individual, the other players must be able to accept this. Only then does the whole become more than the sum of the parts.
In an important game against Bayern Munich, my Ajax player Frank de Boer told off the young Patrick Kluivert in no uncertain terms in front of millions of viewers, and Kluivert reacted strongly. In effect, De Boer was right. By not sticking to the agreed game plan, Kluivert risked the team’s prospects.
Kluivert reacted very emotionally, which is fine by me. After all, soccer is about emotion. The next day, however, I expected Kluivert to be able to respond in a rational way again. He’ll then admit he was wrong. At that moment, it is a question of forgive and forget.
Extracted from ‘The Coaching Philosophies of Louis van Gaal and the Ajax coaches’, by Henny Kormelink and Tjeu Seeverens. Published by Reedswain.
Monday is an important day. At Ajax, the medical treatment sessions on this day were extended when I took over, because this is one of the occasions when players talk to each other spontaneously.
There is also a detailed post-mortem of the last match. In the early days, the discussion was more of a monologue by the coach - i.e. myself. Thanks to my approach, the first reactions quickly followed and genuine dialogues were soon taking place. Progress was very fast in this field.
Each training session is a form of communication. The drills themselves are not so important, it is more a question of what you do with them. During training sessions the players see what a coach wants. I often stop the practice games and challenge the players to think about the soccer problems they are facing. Thanks to my 11 years as a teacher, I have enough experience to know whether I need to step in or keep quiet. Naturally, I explain more to youngsters than to an experienced player of 30, who is set in many of his ways and is probably incapable of changing them.
The media frequently portray me as an authoritarian figure, who thinks he knows it all. The people who work with me every day know me better. I learn something new every day from the people around me – from the players, medical staff and my assistants.
On Thursdays we discuss each individual player with the whole support team. I also ask everyone to say what he feels about the previous game and what he thinks about the next opponent. I talk to players every day. It is then my task as leader of that team – and I very definitely count the players as part of it – to make a selection from all the information available and to decide on the course to be taken. I then expect everyone to support this course in public, because to do otherwise is simply asking for problems.
We also do a lot of video work: when I play European clubs, I regularly use these in preparations. It’s useful to use tapes to demonstrate important details like, for example, fixed patterns of play. I don’t just pick out specific details from a game: for example, watching a tape of a whole first half is usually more worthwhile than just picking out a few highlights. In that way, you can figure out why a team adopted certain tactics and then you can examine them.
I don’t place much value on the popular videos showing the best goals scored by strikers. I always look at strikers in relation to the team as a whole. When is a striker most alert, how does he react in certain situations, and what are his fixed patterns of play? I try continually to get players to watch games in this way. If you make them aware of this as often as possible, they automatically start to look at games on television differently.
TEAM-BUILDING
When I introduced the term ‘team-building’ to the Dutch soccer world in my first season at Ajax, a number of journalists made fun of me. One newspaper, for example, published a photo in which the players and I were holding hands in a ring while playing a game of headers. The caption was accompanied by a mocking remark about the term ‘team-building’. But carrying out such an exercise is no more than a small cog in a large wheel.
In soccer, everything depends on the team aspect. All players have to learn to put the team interests first. At Ajax, on the evening before an important European Cup game against Gent, I asked my striker John van Loen what he thought was the best system to play against this solid Belgian team. John replied:
“4-3-3, coach.” He knew very well that he would not be picked if we played this system, but at such an important moment, John put the interests of the team first. That gives a coach huge satisfaction.
FITNESS
I have my own ideas about fitness training. The good physical condition of the side as we approach the end of the season is no coincidence. But I first had to stick my neck out. It is important how you train: do you want players to be mentally fit or do you just aim to ensure that they are in good condition?
We used to be taught that endurance was ever so important as a basis for soccer players. You acquire a different type of muscle tissue if you concentrate too much on endurance. It is important to avoid excess acidification at the start of the preparation period, and to allow players to do interval training (in doses) at an early stage.
The players find it very enjoyable. It’s less strenuous and boring than all that endless running. I should know: I remember my own days as a player. I was always at the back when we did endurance training. On a good day I could just keep up. On the field, however, I used to run more than other players.
THE LEGENDARY ‘NOTEBOOK’
The notebook I always have with me in the dug-out attracts a lot of remarks. For me, it’s an extremely valuable aid, so it’s not important what other people think. First I always jot down the collective mistakes that go against the pre-planned tactics. That’s the most important aspect.
Next, I always note down individual mistakes, of course. This way I have a logical sequence of aspects about which I can talk to the players during the interval. That’s why I find a list so useful. The chance of forgetting something important is negligible.
In addition, I use my notes for the post-match team talk and for other forms of communication with players and, of course, for putting together the drills for the training sessions after the game is over. If you don’t put pen to paper, you’ll forget something.
TEAM-TALKS
I believe that a team-talk after the game is also important. You can indicate exactly what went well and what went badly. You can pick out individuals, but you can also address the group as a whole. Above all, the group process is important to me. If, in the team talk, I pick out the strengths of a given individual, the other players must be able to accept this. Only then does the whole become more than the sum of the parts.
In an important game against Bayern Munich, my Ajax player Frank de Boer told off the young Patrick Kluivert in no uncertain terms in front of millions of viewers, and Kluivert reacted strongly. In effect, De Boer was right. By not sticking to the agreed game plan, Kluivert risked the team’s prospects.
Kluivert reacted very emotionally, which is fine by me. After all, soccer is about emotion. The next day, however, I expected Kluivert to be able to respond in a rational way again. He’ll then admit he was wrong. At that moment, it is a question of forgive and forget.
Extracted from ‘The Coaching Philosophies of Louis van Gaal and the Ajax coaches’, by Henny Kormelink and Tjeu Seeverens. Published by Reedswain.
Thanks !
He got Arjen Robben fit at Bayern which is a miracle in itself!Very good read, it explains a lot of things. Couldn't help but crack a smile when i read the paragraph about the fitness issues: [On his fitness training program]... The players find it very enjoyable. It’s less strenuous and boring than all that endless running. No wonder why RvP is smiling again
Just use a proxy website next time. Works like a charm.Can someone please post that Schmeichel article. I've finished my free quota..
feel more and more confident van Gaal was the perfect pick for us.
cant wait.
cant wait.
Either delete the telegraph cookies or use private/incognito mode.Can someone please post that Schmeichel article. I've finished my free quota..
Cheers for the suggestions fellas ! Found a way round it.
You really ought to read what's been written mate. I have never said we have no money. What I have said is that the Glazer family has siphoned off hundreds of millions of pounds paying off interest. We broke transfer records long before they came and we'll do it when they're gone. I ask you again: Tell me why, in simple layman's language, why taking a solvent company and plunging it into massive debt is good for the club and the supporters?
You said "we used to have deep pockets" indicating we don't anymore. EVERYTHING about out outgoings these last 3 years, including player/staff wage increases quantify that this is utter bollocks.
This is why the LUHG/G&G campaign died a death because of people like you who keep repeating the same nonsense. People see the investment in the team rise year on year and your "we used to have money once" crap doesn't cut it any more. Don't you think there's a reason why a campaign that had the support and goodwill of the vast majority of fans has now become an irrelevance? It's all because of people like you who see the whole issue as a matter of ideology or dogma who won't accept the facts laid out before you.
There's nothing to suggests our pockets aren't deeper than they've ever been and still you wheel out your crap as if it's fact. This is why we went from 75,000 people wearing Green and Gold to people distrusting other fans.
Louis van Gaal took charge of Holland on Saturday for the first time since emerging as the man regarded as successor to David Moyes at Manchester United, with the Dutch facing Ecuador in a pre-World Cup friendly at the Amsterdam Arena.
What clues did the former Ajax, Barcelona and Bayern Munich coach give to suggest life will be different under Van Gaal at Old Trafford?
Tactical experiments
Despite being without key players such as Arjen Robben, Wesley Sneijder, Nigel de Jong and Rafael van der Vaart due to club commitments, Van Gaal chose to experiment with a 3-5-2 formation against Ecuador.
With the Dutch traditionally operating a 4-3-3 system, Van Gaal was subjected to suggestions that he was overseeing the ‘death of Total Football’ by tinkering with a tried and tested formula.
In reality, it was more like 3-4-1-2 line-up, with PSV Eindhoven’s Georginio Wijnaldum playing in the No 10 role and although the end result was a 1-1 draw, captain Robin van Persie voiced his support for Van Gaal’s approach after the game.
“I believe in the new system,” Van Persie said. “It provides a lot of opportunities.”
Technical area
Van Gaal cut an interesting figure while assessing the game from the technical area on Saturday evening.
Whereas David Moyes would flit to and from the manager’s dug-out, often displaying his frustrations on the touchline, Van Gaal remained firmly in his seat.
Any tactical changes or instructions to players were left to Van Gaal’s assistant, Danny Blind, with the manager taking a back seat.
Things may obviously change during the World Cup, when the heat and pressure is on, but against Ecuador, Van Gaal could not have been more reserved.
Defensive issues
The defensive mix-up which led to Jefferson Montero’s opener for Ecuador, following a defence-splitting pass from Felipe Caicedo, highlighted the problems Van Gaal is encountering with his Dutch defenders.
At United, with Rio Ferdinand and Nemanja Vidic having now left the club, Van Gaal will have to address similar issues when he arrives at Old Trafford.
Can he afford to experiment with three at the back when he is working with relatively young and inexperienced defenders in Phil Jones, Chris Smalling and Jonny Evans?
Van Gaal will need to recruit a seasoned centre-half to make such a system work at United.
Deep-lying playmaker
While Robin van Persie’s first-half goal – a perfectly-executed chest-trap and volley – was the highlight of the game, the pass from midfielder Jordy Clasie which created the strike was just as eye-catching.
Clasie, the Feyenoord youngster, dictating the tempo for the Dutch with an impressive performance as a deep-lying midfielder against Ecuador and offered a link between the defence and attacking players.
At United, Van Gaal could use Michael Carrick in this position, with leading target Toni Kroos perhaps being lined up to play in that role.
Clasie’s ability to make time and space for himself was notable and the 22-year-old will be one to watch at the World Cup.
A revitalised Valencia?
Antonio Valencia may have offered the first evidence on Saturday to prove that Van Gaal will deliver an instant improvement at Old Trafford and make players better.
Valencia, the Ecuador captain, has endured two unimpressive seasons at United, with his reluctance to go past his marker earning him the nickname ‘Turn back Tony.’
But he was impressive against the Dutch, showing pace, power and even an ability to dictate the game from a central position for his country.
Maybe it was the pride of leading his nation, but Valencia’s performance might just have been inspired by showing Van Gaal what he can do.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...l-will-make-as-Manchester-United-manager.html
What clues did the former Ajax, Barcelona and Bayern Munich coach give to suggest life will be different under Van Gaal at Old Trafford?
Tactical experiments
Despite being without key players such as Arjen Robben, Wesley Sneijder, Nigel de Jong and Rafael van der Vaart due to club commitments, Van Gaal chose to experiment with a 3-5-2 formation against Ecuador.
With the Dutch traditionally operating a 4-3-3 system, Van Gaal was subjected to suggestions that he was overseeing the ‘death of Total Football’ by tinkering with a tried and tested formula.
In reality, it was more like 3-4-1-2 line-up, with PSV Eindhoven’s Georginio Wijnaldum playing in the No 10 role and although the end result was a 1-1 draw, captain Robin van Persie voiced his support for Van Gaal’s approach after the game.
“I believe in the new system,” Van Persie said. “It provides a lot of opportunities.”
Technical area
Van Gaal cut an interesting figure while assessing the game from the technical area on Saturday evening.
Whereas David Moyes would flit to and from the manager’s dug-out, often displaying his frustrations on the touchline, Van Gaal remained firmly in his seat.
Any tactical changes or instructions to players were left to Van Gaal’s assistant, Danny Blind, with the manager taking a back seat.
Things may obviously change during the World Cup, when the heat and pressure is on, but against Ecuador, Van Gaal could not have been more reserved.
Defensive issues
The defensive mix-up which led to Jefferson Montero’s opener for Ecuador, following a defence-splitting pass from Felipe Caicedo, highlighted the problems Van Gaal is encountering with his Dutch defenders.
At United, with Rio Ferdinand and Nemanja Vidic having now left the club, Van Gaal will have to address similar issues when he arrives at Old Trafford.
Can he afford to experiment with three at the back when he is working with relatively young and inexperienced defenders in Phil Jones, Chris Smalling and Jonny Evans?
Van Gaal will need to recruit a seasoned centre-half to make such a system work at United.
Deep-lying playmaker
While Robin van Persie’s first-half goal – a perfectly-executed chest-trap and volley – was the highlight of the game, the pass from midfielder Jordy Clasie which created the strike was just as eye-catching.
Clasie, the Feyenoord youngster, dictating the tempo for the Dutch with an impressive performance as a deep-lying midfielder against Ecuador and offered a link between the defence and attacking players.
At United, Van Gaal could use Michael Carrick in this position, with leading target Toni Kroos perhaps being lined up to play in that role.
Clasie’s ability to make time and space for himself was notable and the 22-year-old will be one to watch at the World Cup.
A revitalised Valencia?
Antonio Valencia may have offered the first evidence on Saturday to prove that Van Gaal will deliver an instant improvement at Old Trafford and make players better.
Valencia, the Ecuador captain, has endured two unimpressive seasons at United, with his reluctance to go past his marker earning him the nickname ‘Turn back Tony.’
But he was impressive against the Dutch, showing pace, power and even an ability to dictate the game from a central position for his country.
Maybe it was the pride of leading his nation, but Valencia’s performance might just have been inspired by showing Van Gaal what he can do.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...l-will-make-as-Manchester-United-manager.html
'Turn back Tony', does anyone actually use this? I can't save I've heard it before.
Liked that article. I'm very excited to see what van Gaal can do with us!
New one for me, too.
Never heard it in my life. I'm sure that they've just made it up!
Quite accurate though!
Never heard it either
It's probably just telegraph using it after reading about Aussie prime minister. Or somethin'.
Turn back Tony?
My, we are touchy. And you still haven't answered the question. Here's another one: where would you rather the 600+ million pounds have been spent, in interest on the Glazer's loans or on Manchester United FC?
And as for spouting crap, you've attributed (not for the first time) sentiments to me that I have never expressed. You haven't provided any facts that aren't known or can't be easily be verified. I have never said we have no money. All I have said is I don't like seeing money, much of it provided by supporters, pissed away on interest payments so that Glazers can consolidate their ownership of the club I've supported for 50 odd years. Until you can come up with rationale as to why these payments are a good thing for the club, then it's pointless even having a discussion with you.
Oh, Blimey. Has there been another tomorrow announcement on Twitter? So, is that Wednesday or Thursday?
It has become strangely quiet on this theme.
So what I've learned from this is that Clasie the solution to our midfield issues. Amirite?
van Goff?
This is getting ridiculous..we will all have blue balls soon or orange as the case may be (no offense Nev)
Turn back Tony?
Remember that article a few months back stating that Giggs had become known as the ghost of Old Trafford?
Remember that article a few months back stating that Giggs had become known as the ghost of Old Trafford?
Turn back Tony?
Remember that article a few months back stating that Giggs had become known as the ghost of Old Trafford?
That was Ogden as well, same writer. No idea where he is getting these 'nicknames' from.
Definitely from Wayne Rooney. Rooney's always frustrated with Valencia's work down the wing and Rooney seems like the kind of twat who would say it.
That was Ogden as well, same writer. No idea where he is getting these 'nicknames' from.
Trust me guys, MUTV know nothing.
Piss poor from Ogden, that. He obviously has some internet space to fill, but drawing conclusions from that game is just barmy.
Looking forward to the announcement tomorrow! Wonder if any signings will be announced too.....
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All these journalists in Holland, hopelessly waiting for news they have no idea when is coming. Hope we drag it out a bit longer! For the last three weeks or so they've been saying it'll be announced in a few days.
Never heard the before, but extremely fitting none the less.
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