Valentino Livramento

[Classical Mechanic]

I think the signs are good that he'll be one to watch this season. 18 years old he was a beast at youth level and looks to have the confidence and physicality to make it in the senior game. Technically he's very good on the ball and is a really good crosser. The big questions will be how good he is defensively. Born in London to a Portuguese father and English mother with all the right backs England have he could end up playing for Portugal in the future, although they have a few of excellent right back themselves. Chelsea have a buy back option on him but it's questionable if he's better than James. I'd prefer a player of his profile to AWB at United.

 

[Bwuk]

Looked great today. Bullied Fred at one point.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

It did make me sad that a teenager I'd never heard of was better on the ball then our £50m right back

 

[Orton]

It did make me sad that a teenager I'd never heard of was better on the ball then our £50m right back

Most right backs in the league are better on the ball. Very sad indeed.

 

[mu4c_20le]

Lovely name, rolls off the tongue.

 

[Vidyoyo]

I'd heed your words - judging a young player off the back of a good first season is how we ended up with AWB

not that i think awb is bad

 

[duffer]

Chelsea's academy player of the year last season, sad that he left but I get it, given James/Azpi in front of him.

My brother in law actually coached him for a few months when he was about 8, so obviously he thinks any future success is down to his coaching.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

I'd heed your words - judging a young player off the back of a good first season is how we ended up with AWB

not that i think awb is bad

Not sure what you mean by this but they're totally different players. AWB's talents are very specialised and suited toward a defensive type of football. In the modern game where full backs are supposed to be very good on the ball he's lacking. Livramento is more of a modern type of full back, his touch and dribbling skills are top notch and he is a very good crosser. AWB is a throwback and whilst he's brilliant at one-on-one defending I can't help but think it was a mistake to spend £50m on him. That we've been trying to sign a right back with much better ability on the ball than him only two years after signing him tells you that.

 

[King Kay]

I think he comes back to Chelsea as Azpi replacement in 2-3 yrs time. He's no doubt talented in attacking areas. What I'm looking out for is a great level of improvement in the defensive phase of the game. If he can add that to his game then that's one hell of a wingback in the making.

 

[WeePat]

Terrific talent. Sad that he had to leave us but with Reece James, it's understandable. Chuffed with the buyback clause. He's going right to the top this lad.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Looks a baller.

 

[pascell]

It did make me sad that a teenager I'd never heard of was better on the ball then our £50m right back

Knew within 5 games, if that, that AWB wasn't good enough for United, he wasn't even great at Palace. £50m for him, well, we simply had our kegs pulled down and our asses shown in the shop window.

Watching him attempting to take on a player and whip in a cross makes my eyes hurt, simply because I know 9/10, he's going to turn back and pass it to whoever is behind him in space.

 

[RUCK4444]

Had two decent runs. Wow.

 

[Orton]

Not sure what you mean by this but they're totally different players. AWB's talents are very specialised and suited toward a defensive type of football. In the modern game where full backs are supposed to be very good on the ball he's lacking. Livramento is more of a modern type of full back, his touch and dribbling skills are top notch and he is a very good crosser. AWB is a throwback and whilst he's brilliant at one-on-one defending I can't help but think it was a mistake to spend £50m on him. That we've been trying to sign a right back with much better ability on the ball than him only two years after signing him tells you that.

Precisely. We need attacking full backs. Not somebody who can put in a decent slide tackle when he’s on the back foot. Don’t get me wrong I think AWB is a good player but he’s not good enough for a team wanting to challenge for titles. Full backs have to be offering much more especially for a side that doesn’t play with natural wingers.

 

[Leftback99]

Looked very good. Has shown more in two PL games than I've ever seen in Dalot for us.

 

[redrobed]

Our focus needs to be on CDM but if we could get that sorted 1st I wouldn’t be against this guy if we can get him
for maybe less than 50m as backup to AWB

 

[Tarrou]

What a crazy run of talented right backs Chelsea youth are on

 

[Ali Dia]

He’s this seasons lamptey!

 

[Dave Smith]

Chelsea's academy is pretty mental. Take away the one's still with them - Christensen, James, Mount, Chabolah, CHO they also have the following playing top level football:

Gilmour, Guehi, Livramento, Lamptey, Abraham, Tomori, Muisala

Pretty sure there are also other players knocking about that don't include the above.

Obviously, not all those players are theirs still, however it is pretty crazy how they're churning out so many players that can compete in top level football.

 

[duffer]

Chelsea's academy is pretty mental. Take away the one's still with them - Christensen, James, Mount, Chabolah, CHO they also have the following playing top level football:

Gilmour, Guehi, Livramento, Lamptey, Abraham, Tomori, Muisala

Pretty sure there are also other players knocking about that don't include the above.

Obviously, not all those players are theirs still, however it is pretty crazy how they're churning out so many players that can compete in top level football.

The thing about those players are well is apart from Christensen and Gilmour, they all joined chelsea at ages 8 or 9. Not a case of us signing the top 15/16 year olds.

Roman has certainly invested big into coaching and youth development. His end motives might be purely financial but it's working.

 

[WeePat]

Chelsea's academy is pretty mental. Take away the one's still with them - Christensen, James, Mount, Chabolah, CHO they also have the following playing top level football:

Gilmour, Guehi, Livramento, Lamptey, Abraham, Tomori, Muisala

Pretty sure there are also other players knocking about that don't include the above.

Obviously, not all those players are theirs still, however it is pretty crazy how they're churning out so many players that can compete in top level football.

There's also Gallagher at Palace. The goal of any academy is to try and produce players that are equipped to succeed at the top level, whether that be at Chelsea or elsewhere. Not all of those you mentioned will end up playing for Chelsea or other top clubs in the CL but I do think it's a testament to the academy that PL clubs are now trying to raid our 17-18 year olds who have never played a single pro game and giving then their debuts in the PL immediately. Livramento made his pro debut with Southampton. Bate will make his pro debut with Leeds etc.

 

[Dave Smith]

There's also Gallagher at Palace. The goal of any academy is to try and produce players that are equipped to succeed at the top level, whether that be at Chelsea or elsewhere. Not all of those you mentioned will end up playing for Chelsea or other top clubs in the CL but I do think it's a testament to the academy that PL clubs are now trying to raid our 17-18 year olds who have never played a single pro game and giving then their debuts in the PL immediately. Livramento made his pro debut with Southampton. Bate will make his pro debut with Leeds etc.

For sure, I mean I believe if a academy is producing a good number of players that allows their boys to earning a living out of football (say League one and above) they're doing a great job. I principally just pointed out the more well known players, as those are the ones talked about and are playing at a very high level.

I don't follow youth football enough to know where every player comes from, however as an observer the Chelsea academy seems to be incredibly healthy. I mean there is also argument that Rice is a Chelsea academy product whilst there is also Boga who plays in Italy.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Think City are taking over them now though.

 

[Harry190]

That man was very impressive. Isn't he the kid who ran down their right, or United's left like a freight train?

 

[hungrywing]

He’s this seasons lamptey!

Think you mean this FW 21/22's Lamptey.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

That man was very impressive. Isn't he the kid who ran down their right, or United's left like a freight train?

Yes.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

Think City are taking over them now though.

Yeah I think they are as well, it does show the benefits of Oil money goes beyond just buying players for the first team.

 

[WeePat]

For sure, I mean I believe if a academy is producing a good number of players that allows their boys to earning a living out of football (say League one and above) they're doing a great job. I principally just pointed out the more well known players, as those are the ones talked about and are playing at a very high level.

I don't follow youth football enough to know where every player comes from, however as an observer the Chelsea academy seems to be incredibly healthy. I mean there is also argument that Rice is a Chelsea academy product whilst there is also Boga who plays in Italy.

I do agree with you. I was just adding to your point.

 

[WeePat]

Yeah I think they are as well, it does show the benefits of Oil money goes beyond just buying players for the first team.

I suppose but as Duffer points out, most of these Chelsea youths have been coached at Chelsea since they were 7-8 years old. It helps that Abramovich has invested into the training facilities and the coaching at all levels, and a lot of the coaches themselves get promoted from within when one gets poached another club, but if these kids have been at Chelsea since U10, there's clearly more to it than 'oil money'.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

I suppose but as Duffer points out, most of these Chelsea youths have been coached at Chelsea since they were 7-8 years old. It helps that Abramovich has invested into the training facilities and the coaching at all levels, and a lot of the coaches themselves get promoted from within when one gets poached another club, but if these kids have been at Chelsea since U10, there's clearly more to it than 'oil money'.

That's what I meant, it shows the value of investing in training facilities and coaching and that it's not simply just about investing in the first team.

 

[Ali Dia]

I suppose but as Duffer points out, most of these Chelsea youths have been coached at Chelsea since they were 7-8 years old. It helps that Abramovich has invested into the training facilities and the coaching at all levels, and a lot of the coaches themselves get promoted from within when one gets poached another club, but if these kids have been at Chelsea since U10, there's clearly more to it than 'oil money'.

You are smack bang in the middle of the best/largest/most diverse catchment area in the country splashing the cash more than any other club.

 

[::sonny::]

Like Jonatahan Leko against Evra

 

[WeePat]

That's what I meant, it shows the value of investing in training facilities and coaching and that it's not simply just about investing in the first team.

I know but it's just a bit of an odd point to focus on when the players been coached from age 7 is all I was saying.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

I know but it's just a bit of an odd point to focus on when the players been coached from age 7 is all I was saying.

Not really, it shows the value of investing in coaching even from a young age which clearly Chelsea and now City are benefitting from.

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

I suppose but as Duffer points out, most of these Chelsea youths have been coached at Chelsea since they were 7-8 years old. It helps that Abramovich has invested into the training facilities and the coaching at all levels, and a lot of the coaches themselves get promoted from within when one gets poached another club, but if these kids have been at Chelsea since U10, there's clearly more to it than 'oil money'.

Roman has been at Chelsea since 2003 if I remember correctly. So those U10 would be at the club and coached with oil money.

 

[WeePat]

You are smack bang in the middle of the best/largest/most diverse catchment area in the country splashing the cash more than any other club.

Chelsea don't have better facilities than Arsenal, and now Spurs, from what I can tell.

 

[WeePat]

Not really, it shows the value of investing in coaching even from a young age which clearly Chelsea and now City are benefitting from.

It does show that, but I suppose what I was saying was boiling it down to 'oil money' kind of ignores the actual good work being done by really good coaches.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

It does show that, but I suppose what I was saying was boiling it down to 'oil money' kind of ignores the actual good work being done by really good coaches.

Good coaches paid by Oil money so it would be foolish to ignore it. It's more to show the overall investment a club has to make and that it goes beyond just the first team. I think it's an area where other clubs have lacked in.

 

[WeePat]

Good coaches paid by Oil money so it would be foolish to ignore it. It's more to show the overall investment a club has to make and that it goes beyond just the first team. I think it's an area where other clubs have lacked in.

You could choose to focus on that if you wanted. In my view it does a big disservice to the coaching being done over many years but oh well. Each to his own I suppose.

 

[GoonerBear]

Our club can't even buy a decent right back & Chelsea just produces a conveyor belt of Lamptey, James & this guy over the last couple of years.