Value of our players/squad in an open market?

1. Altay Bayindir (G) 5mill
22. Tom Heaton (G) 1mill
24. Andre Onana (G) 50mill

2. Victor Lindelof (CD) 25mill
5. Harry Maguire (CD) 35mill
6. Lisandro Martinez (CD) 50mill
12. Tyrell Malacia (LB) 25mill
19. Raphael Varane (CD) 25mill
20. Diogo Dalot (RB; FB) 20mill
23. Luke Shaw (LB; CD) 45mill
29. Aaron Wan-Bissaka (RB) 25mill
35. Jonny Evans (D) 50pence
53. Willy Kambwala (D) 10mill

7. Mason Mount (AM; CM) 50mill
8. Bruno Fernandes (AM; CM; RM; SS) 45mill
14. Christian Eriksen (CM; AM) 8mill
46. Hannibal Mejbri (CM) 15mill
18. Casemiro (DM; CM) 40mill
28. Facundo Pellistri (RM) 15mill
37. Kobbie Mainoo (CM; DM) 100mill
39. Scott McTominay (AM; CM) 30mill
44. Daniel Gore (AM; CM; RM; LM) 18mill

17. Alejandro Garnacho (LWF; RWF) 80mill
21. Antony (RWF) 50mill
10. Marcus Rashford (LWF; CF; RWF) 100mill
9. Anthony Martial (CF) 500k
11. Rasmus Hojlund (CF; RWF) 85mill
16. Amad Diallo (RWF)
25. Jadon Sancho (RWF; LWF; AM; SS)
 
Jeppers7 said:
1. Altay Bayindir (G) 5mill
22. Tom Heaton (G) 1mill
24. Andre Onana (G) 50mill

2. Victor Lindelof (CD) 25mill
5. Harry Maguire (CD) 35mill
6. Lisandro Martinez (CD) 50mill
12. Tyrell Malacia (LB) 25mill
19. Raphael Varane (CD) 25mill
20. Diogo Dalot (RB; FB) 20mill
23. Luke Shaw (LB; CD) 45mill
29. Aaron Wan-Bissaka (RB) 25mill
35. Jonny Evans (D) 50pence
53. Willy Kambwala (D) 10mill

7. Mason Mount (AM; CM) 50mill
8. Bruno Fernandes (AM; CM; RM; SS) 45mill
14. Christian Eriksen (CM; AM) 8mill
46. Hannibal Mejbri (CM) 15mill
18. Casemiro (DM; CM) 40mill
28. Facundo Pellistri (RM) 15mill
37. Kobbie Mainoo (CM; DM) 100mill
39. Scott McTominay (AM; CM) 30mill
44. Daniel Gore (AM; CM; RM; LM) 18mill

17. Alejandro Garnacho (LWF; RWF) 80mill
21. Antony (RWF) 50mill
10. Marcus Rashford (LWF; CF; RWF) 100mill
9. Anthony Martial (CF) 500k
11. Rasmus Hojlund (CF; RWF) 85mill
16. Amad Diallo (RWF)
25. Jadon Sancho (RWF; LWF; AM; SS)
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Harsh on Evans - he's our best defender!!! :confused:
 
davidmichael said:
1. Altay Bayindir (G) £2 million
22. Tom Heaton (G) out of contract soon
24. Andre Onana (G) £15-£20 million

2. Victor Lindelof (CD) £20 million
5. Harry Maguire (CD) £30 million
6. Lisandro Martinez (CD) £50 million
12. Tyrell Malacia (LB) £15 million
19. Raphael Varane (CD) £15-£20 million
20. Diogo Dalot (RB; FB) £15 million
23. Luke Shaw (LB; CD) £50 million
29. Aaron Wan-Bissaka (RB) £40 million
35. Jonny Evans (D) out of contract soon
53. Willy Kambwala (D) £10 million

7. Mason Mount (AM; CM) £30-£40 million
8. Bruno Fernandes (AM; CM ) £70 million
14. Christian Eriksen (CM; AM) £5 million
46. Hannibal Mejbri (CM) £20 million
18. Casemiro (DM; CM) £25 million
28. Facundo Pellistri (RM) £15 million
37. Kobbie Mainoo (CM; DM) £100 million
39. Scott McTominay (AM; CM) £30 million
44. Daniel Gore (AM; CM) £15 million

17. Alejandro Garnacho (LW; RW) £100 million
21. Antony (RWF) £30 million
10. Marcus Rashford (LWF; CF) £75 million
9. Anthony Martial (CF) out of contract soon
11. Rasmus Hojlund (CF) £75 million
16. Amad Diallo (RWF) £40 million
25. Jadon Sancho (RWF; LWF) £40 million
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Mainoo is not 100million player, that’s Bellingham territory
 
Garnacho 80m
Rashford 70m
Fernandes 60m
Shaw 50m
Martinez 50m
Höjlund 45 m
Mainoo 45m
Mount 35m
Dalot 30m
Sancho 30m
Wan Bissaka 25m
Lindelof 25m
Maguire 25 m
MacT 25m
Onana 25m
Malacia 20m
Varane 15m
Antony 15m
Casemiro 10m
The rest <10m
 
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1. Altay Bayindir (G) - 10M
22. Tom Heaton (G) - 0M
24. Andre Onana (G) - 25M

2. Victor Lindelof (CD) - 20M
5. Harry Maguire (CD) - 25M
6. Lisandro Martinez (CD) -40M
12. Tyrell Malacia (LB) -15M
19. Raphael Varane (CD) -20M
20. Diogo Dalot (RB; FB) - 35M
23. Luke Shaw (LB; CD) -40M
29. Aaron Wan-Bissaka (RB) - 25M
35. Jonny Evans (D) - 3M
53. Willy Kambwala (D) -2M

7. Mason Mount (AM; CM) - 30M
8. Bruno Fernandes (AM; CM; RM; SS) - 50M
14. Christian Eriksen (CM; AM) - 10M
46. Hannibal Mejbri (CM) - 10M
18. Casemiro (DM; CM) - 40M
28. Facundo Pellistri (RM) - 5M
37. Kobbie Mainoo (CM; DM) -20M
39. Scott McTominay (AM; CM) -20M
44. Daniel Gore (AM; CM; RM; LM) - 5M

17. Alejandro Garnacho (LWF; RWF) -50M
21. Antony (RWF)- 25M
10. Marcus Rashford (LWF; CF; RWF)-60M
9. Anthony Martial (CF)- 10M
11. Rasmus Hojlund (CF; RWF) - 30M
16. Amad Diallo (RWF) - 20M
25. Jadon Sancho (RWF; LWF; AM; SS) - 25M
 
Garnacho for 70, 80, 100, 120m in open market!!!

This home team bias reminds me the popular Rashford vs Mbappe threads.
 
It's incredible that the squad has a good mix of experienced winners, decent squad players and up and coming passionate starlets.

The introduction of players like Garnacho, Mainoo and Hannibal has revitalized the squad and together with the experiences of Varane and Casemiro tend to add better fluidity to the team play.

The addition of high potential players like Hojlund also makes the team so exciting to watch.
 
Daydreamer said:
If Mainoo played for Arsenal and we were offered £100m, I’d bite your hand off. That’s just short of the British transfer record for a player with 7 league starts.

I dont think that makes us a small club. I’d argue it’s the opposite. Barca would also make that sale because they are confident in their talent production line.
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But that’s exactly what Real Madrid has been doing for years. They bought Vinicius Junior and Rodrygo for 40m each years ago when they haven’t even kick a ball in a match with 0 mins of game time. You just have to pay premium price for top young talent sometimes even without experience.

And it also only took half season for Enzo who went from 15m player to 105m player. Things could go up quickly for these top young talents.
 
RedRonaldo said:
It’s a hypothetical question, but in reality best 18 years old around who shines in toughest league is priceless in whatever market. Because his value is likely to skyrocket in future.
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Agreed. Mainoo in reality does not have a market value, because there is no value that both United would sell for and another club would pay. Same for Garnacho. 30, 50, 70, 100, 120, they're all inaccurate.
 
RedRonaldo said:
But that’s exactly what Real Madrid has been doing for years. They bought Vinicius Junior and Rodrygo for 40m each years ago when they haven’t even kick a ball in a match with 0 mins of game time. You just have to pay premium price for top young talent sometimes even without experience.

And it also only took half season for Enzo who went from 15m player to 105m player. Things could go up quickly for these top young talents.
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That’s an interesting take. I think those three players are good examples of why teams would be very reluctant to pay £100m for Mainoo.

Vinicius Jr and Rodrygo were on every team’s radar. (Not to mention that Rodrygo made 80 appearances for Santos with most coming before he signed a pre-contract with Real). They were £38 million each. Why would a team buy Mainoo for £100m when they can pick up two talents like that with £24m to spare?

And Enzo is a cautionary tale about spending £100m on midfield potential. It’s going to take him a while to justify that price tag - if ever. And he has vastly more first team experience than Mainoo.
 
Think people are confusing "Value" with the "Amount it would take for you to sell", Mainoo as promising as he looks has achieved nothing and is all potential and isn't "worth" more than £20m/ £30m.
 
tarc said:
Garnacho for 70, 80, 100, 120m in open market!!!

This home team bias reminds me the popular Rashford vs Mbappe threads.
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Same with some of the Rashford and Mainoo evaluations.
 
Daydreamer said:
If Mainoo played for Arsenal and we were offered £100m, I’d bite your hand off. That’s just short of the British transfer record for a player with 7 league starts.

I dont think that makes us a small club. I’d argue it’s the opposite. Barca would also make that sale because they are confident in their talent production line.
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Aren't you crying out for a left sided #8 right now? Mainoo would literally be a perfect fit for Arsenal in that position.

I can guarantee that neither Arteta nor Edu would even entertain the idea of selling Mainoo if they had him right now. Very likely guarantees losing out on the title if you give away your only elite ball carrier #8 in the middle of the season.
 
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Rojofiam said:
Aren't you crying out for a left sided #8 right now? Mainoo would literally be a perfect fit for Arsenal in that position.

I can guarantee that neither Arteta nor Edu would even entertain the idea of selling Mainoo if they had him right now. Very likely guarantees losing out on the title if you give away your only elite ball carrier #8 in the middle of the season.
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Mainoo isn't at the level required to carry a team to a PL title, at least not yet. Selling him wouldn't derail a title race.
 
Rojofiam said:
Aren't you crying out for a left sided #8 right now? Mainoo would literally be a perfect fit for Arsenal in that position.

I can guarantee that neither Arteta nor Edu would even entertain the idea of selling Mainoo if they had him right now. Very likely guarantees losing out on the title if you give away your only elite ball carrier #8 in the middle of the season.
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He's not elite yet, and for the money being suggested you could replace him with a far better player.
 
Mainoo has the potential to be one of the top midfielders in the league for the next 15 years. I don't that is over-hyping his potential. However I do think his actual performances have been, his best game by far was against Wigan, he has struggled at times in the PL against the pace and athletic intensity, but against Wigan he dominated, a lower pace and he had the time to play a much more progressive game than he has been able to in the PL, a preview of what he could be if he develops as we hope.

That is not saying he has been bad in the PL, he has has shown flashes of real quality, but it has been much more sporadic, his most effective work has been in defensive areas, the ball carrying and progressive passing has only been there in isolated moments. None of that should be a surprise, he is 18 and outside of Fabregas I can't think of another CM who was dominating PL midfields before they turned 20.
 
Daydreamer said:
That’s an interesting take. I think those three players are good examples of why teams would be very reluctant to pay £100m for Mainoo.

Vinicius Jr and Rodrygo were on every team’s radar. (Not to mention that Rodrygo made 80 appearances for Santos with most coming before he signed a pre-contract with Real). They were £38 million each. Why would a team buy Mainoo for £100m when they can pick up two talents like that with £24m to spare?

And Enzo is a cautionary tale about spending £100m on midfield potential. It’s going to take him a while to justify that price tag - if ever. And he has vastly more first team experience than Mainoo.
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But then why we would we sell our best young talent for 30-40m. So in reality such deal just won’t happened, unless he went average or shite in few years time, or becomes a star player here but won’t extend his contract with us to force us to sell to highest bidder.

It’s abit similar to Rice few years back, lots of noise linking him to us or other big teams, in the end West Ham managed to hold him for a while longer and then sell him for premium price to highest bidder. There is absolutely no chance West Ham would be tempted to sell him for 30-40m (or at market value) few years back when he was still an inexperienced youngster.
 
Hammondo said:
He's not elite yet, and for the money being suggested you could replace him with a far better player.
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He is elite. Who would be that far better player you replace with him?

stefan92 said:
Mainoo isn't at the level required to carry a team to a PL title, at least not yet. Selling him wouldn't derail a title race.
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It would derail your title race if you only had Mainoo who fits that profile in the whole squad. As it stands, Arsenal don't have anyone in their squad who could do Mainoo's job. We don't have anyone either, if we lost him.
 
Rojofiam said:
It would derail your title race if you only had Mainoo who fits that profile in the whole squad. As it stands, Arsenal don't have anyone in their squad who could do Mainoo's job. We don't have anyone either, if we lost him.
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I just believe you could be in a title race if you have to rely on Mainoo. He could be part of such a team, but he wouldn't be irreplacable, at his current level he could regularly get minutes, but that's it.

His current standing for United is irrelevant to this hypothetical question because United is far away from challenging for a title.
 
Hammondo said:
Same with some of the Rashford and Mainoo evaluations.
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Rashford just turns out to be highly inconsistent player in abnormal sense. Last season version of him would have easily worth 80-100m plus while this season version he wouldn’t go anywhere higher than 30-40m.
 
Rojofiam said:
He is elite. Who would be that far better player you replace with him?



It would derail your title race if you only had Mainoo who fits that profile in the whole squad. As it stands, Arsenal don't have anyone in their squad who could do Mainoo's job. We don't have anyone either, if we lost him.
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He's a kid whos played 7 games, half of them hes not played well.

You could go for most midfielders in the top 5 and they would be better.
 
stefan92 said:
I just believe you could be in a title race if you have to rely on Mainoo. He could be part of such a team, but he wouldn't be irreplacable, at his current level he could regularly get minutes, but that's it.

His current standing for United is irrelevant to this hypothetical question because United is far away from challenging for a title.
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You say that only because of his age and inexperience at the top level.

What I'm trying to tell you is that Arsenal don't have anyone who can do the left sided, ball carrying, progressive #8 role as well as Mainoo could. That's why they are monitoring players of that profile. They'd bite our hands off for Mainoo right now. And if you sell him for 100 million, you need to get a world class replacement, but most of those players already play at other big clubs, so won't realistically be attainable.

If you don't need the money, and you're in a title race, you aren't selling an important player without getting a proper replacement, and it would be difficult to get a quality #8 in January to replace the...checks notes...quality #8 you've sold just now, for no reason basically. Even selling clubs like Dortmund, Ajax, Benfica and the likes don't sell their key players in the midst of a close title race.
 
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RedRonaldo said:
But then why we would we sell our best young talent for 30-40m. So in reality such deal just won’t happened, unless he went average or shite in few years time, or becomes a star player here but won’t extend his contract with us to force us to sell to highest bidder.

It’s abit similar to Rice few years back, lots of noise linking him to us or other big teams, in the end West Ham managed to hold him for a while longer and then sell him for premium price to highest bidder. There is absolutely no chance West Ham would be tempted to sell him for 30-40m (or at market value) few years back when he was still an inexperienced youngster.
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I'm not saying United would sell Mainoo for £40m (though that wouldn't make me fall off my chair - that is a ton of money for a player with 7 league starts). But I thought the thread was about market value. The market has never valued a player like Mainoo at anywhere near £100m. Ever. There's literally not a single example.
 
It's better to try and value players as if they were putting in the same level of performance whilst playing for a mid to lower table team. If Mainoo was at Wolves for example what would we pay for him? It wouldn't be north of 50 million that's for sure.

As for Anthony and Onana at 50 million who the hell would be paying that right now?
 
Rojofiam said:
You say that only because of his age and inexperience at the top level.

What I'm trying to tell you is that Arsenal don't have anyone who can do the left sided, ball carrying, progressive #8 role as well as Mainoo could. That's why they are monitoring players of that profile. They'd bite our hands off for Mainoo right now. And if you sell him for 100 million, you need to get a world class replacement, but most of those players already play at other big clubs, so won't realistically be attainable.

If you don't need the money, and you're in a title race, you aren't selling an important player without getting a proper replacement, and it would be difficult to get a quality #8 in January to replace the...checks notes...quality #8 you've sold just now, for no reason basically. Even selling clubs like Dortmund, Ajax, Benfica and the likes wouldn't sell their key players in the midst of a close title race.
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The difference between us is just that you think he would be a key player for them and I don't think so. That doesn't mean that I don't think he is a great talent, but I believe taking 100m for him and get a more mature replacement could push a title challenge instead of weaken it.
 
Hammondo said:
He's a kid whos played 7 games, half of them hes not played well.

You could go for most midfielders in the top 5 and they would be better.
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I don't think you understand roles and profiles. Just because there are a number of older, more established and better midfielders in the Premier League, it doesn't mean that they can do every role in the midfield. KDB wouldn't be efficient at #6, and Rodri would be useless as a #10.

Mainoo would start for Arsenal because they lack a player of his profile. He starts for us. He'd get game time for City because they didn't adequately replace Gundogan. He would get a lot of game time in every top 5 team right now.

Judging by your logic, Rico Lewis at 18 wasn't an important piece of City's success last season, but he was.

Saka has been one of Arsenal's most important players since he was 18.

Garnacho has been important for us even with Rashford occupying his preferred position for most of the time.

Zaire-Emery has been crucial for PSG at 17. Lewis Miley has played important games for Newcastle at 17.

Gavi and Pedri have been crucial for Barca ever since their teenage years as well.

Why would you sell a potentially world class, homegrown talent that's such a unique, rare, and highly sought-after profile when you are literally one of the richest clubs in the world, which United definitely are?

I can guarantee you that all of United, Arsenal, City, etc. would refuse 100m offers for Mainoo without much thinking.
 
Rojofiam said:
You say that only because of his age and inexperience at the top level.

What I'm trying to tell you is that Arsenal don't have anyone who can do the left sided, ball carrying, progressive #8 role as well as Mainoo could. That's why they are monitoring players of that profile. They'd bite our hands off for Mainoo right now. And if you sell him for 100 million, you need to get a world class replacement, but most of those players already play at other big clubs, so won't realistically be attainable.

If you don't need the money, and you're in a title race, you aren't selling an important player without getting a proper replacement, and it would be difficult to get a quality #8 in January to replace the...checks notes...quality #8 you've sold just now, for no reason basically. Even selling clubs like Dortmund, Ajax, Benfica and the likes wouldn't sell their key players in the midst of a close title race.
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Mainoo has a ton of potential, but for our game against Forest next week, Arteta would likely select Rice, Havertz, Smith-Rowe, Vieira and Zinchenko ahead of him (Partey and Vieira are back in training). That cohort have a combined 151 international caps between them. Mainoo hasn't even been called up for the U21s yet.

Once again, he clearly has tons of potential and I would be very excited if he came through Arsenal's academy. But I don't see how his inclusion would elevate us to the title.
 
Rojofiam said:
Mainoo would start for Arsenal because they lack a player of his profile. He starts for us. He'd get game time for City because they didn't adequately replace Gundogan. He would get a lot of game time in every top 5 team right now.
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What is so unique about Mainoo's profile? I don't mean this disparagingly, what I find so exciting about him is that he doesn't stand out. He looks completely comfortable in midfield within top-flight football at 18. That is impressive and indicates a lot of potential.

But... he's not currently performing in a style or at a level that is absent from the top 5 teams in the league. Or in any of the top leagues. Simply put, if Mainoo is a standout midfielder, that says more about the midfield he's in than it does about the player himself. His profile shouldn't be rare within a squad. And for the most part - it's not.
 
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Daydreamer said:
Mainoo has a ton of potential, but for our game against Forest next week, Arteta would likely select Rice, Havertz, Smith-Rowe, Vieira and Zinchenko ahead of him (Partey and Vieira are back in training). That cohort have a combined 151 international caps between them. Mainoo hasn't even been called up for the U21s yet.

Once again, he clearly has tons of potential and I would be very excited if he came through Arsenal's academy. But I don't see how his inclusion would elevate us to the title.
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I think Mainoo could help you exert more control over the opposing midfields, especially with a player like Rice next to him. Mainoo can receive from deep very well, create a lot of space for himself, his midfield partners and the defenders as well with his movement off the ball (both when your team is in or out of possession), and carry the ball far up the pitch as well. His passing has been impressive as well.

He can basically connect the defense, midfield and attack on his own, whilst helping his team keep the ball even in tight and high-pressure situations. He's a really valuable asset already with room to grow, obviously.

The most obvious player I'd liken him to is de Jong at Barca, just not as good, obviously.
 
It really doesnt matter does it? United is based in the Uk meaning the club can overprice the players. Personally I wouldn't pay 3 pounds for Lindelof but the club can probably sell him for 20 mil now
 
Daydreamer said:
If Mainoo played for Arsenal and we were offered £100m, I’d bite your hand off. That’s just short of the British transfer record for a player with 7 league starts.

I dont think that makes us a small club. I’d argue it’s the opposite. Barca would also make that sale because they are confident in their talent production line.
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stefan92 said:
Mainoo isn't at the level required to carry a team to a PL title, at least not yet. Selling him wouldn't derail a title race.
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Hammondo said:
He's not elite yet, and for the money being suggested you could replace him with a far better player.
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Hammondo said:
He's a kid whos played 7 games, half of them hes not played well.

You could go for most midfielders in the top 5 and they would be better.
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Hope you guys have reconsidered your opinions since then...
 
Rojofiam said:
Hope you guys have reconsidered your opinions since then...
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United’s midfield was non-existent at points today, as has been the case several times throughout the season. I wouldn’t place the blame for that on Mainoo, I’d be looking at his more experienced midfield partners and the Manager first. But I also wouldn’t want Arsenal to drop £100m on him.

He wouldn’t start for Arsenal, Liverpool or City. I don’t know about Villa and Spurs as I don’t watch them enough. He doesn’t even make the England squad and we’re crying out for midfielders right now.

He’s a talented player who could very well have a brilliant future. However, the reason he stands out so much in your midfield right now because he is often literally the only person standing in midfield as you frequently vacate the entire middle third of the pitch. That is simply is not the case with any professional team that I’ve witnessed.
 
Rojofiam said:
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Last time I checked United weren't in a title race ;)

More seriously, as mentioned if he has one great game and a few not so impressive it just proves what I think - he can become that player, but he still is far away from having the necessary consistency in his performances.

So no, I haven't reconsidered my opinion.
 
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