Gakpo was always a backup option to Antony. Once we got our main target, we ended our pursuit of the backup option. This is just a case of sour grapes situation from a player who isn’t good enough embellished further by a tabloid agency.
Van Gaal Needs To Get Cease and Desist & Posters need to read the article
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I'm really not sure it's a direct attack on United. It sounds like a manager who desperately wants his players to be in top form 2 months from now and prefers no movements to new clubs or leagues.
You ok OP? Best ones are those using made up shit to chime in and express their hate for the guy, fecking hell
Nothing wrong.
OP didn’t read the article.
And we didn’t bother with Gakpo once we secured Anthony.
And we didn’t bother with Gakpo once we secured Anthony.
Its fascinating how LVG would say to Timber not to join Manchester United despite he'd be joining ETH (the man who made him) while on the other hand he's perfectly happy having FDJ being portrayed as the villain and playing as CB at Barcelona. The same with Depay. He's set to be a reserve player at Barcelona and yet LVG hasn't said anything about the matter whatsoever.
So yes, LVG does have issues with us which is kind of said considering that the guy was fired by almost every top club he worked with. When one looks at his career, he wasn't really that good to start with. I mean 1 CL win in 1995, despite managing clubs like Barca, Bayern and United (the former twice)....that's poor isn't it?
Having said that I wonder if the issue is with us or with ETH. I mean ETH is basically a younger version then him. Now some people take that gracefully (ex Lippi and Conte) but some actually hate that (Sacchi vs Capello and Allegri)
So yes, LVG does have issues with us which is kind of said considering that the guy was fired by almost every top club he worked with. When one looks at his career, he wasn't really that good to start with. I mean 1 CL win in 1995, despite managing clubs like Barca, Bayern and United (the former twice)....that's poor isn't it?
Having said that I wonder if the issue is with us or with ETH. I mean ETH is basically a younger version then him. Now some people take that gracefully (ex Lippi and Conte) but some actually hate that (Sacchi vs Capello and Allegri)
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So basically you want to initiate legal action based on something that you’ve imagined was said without any evidence (even tabloid talk) to back it up? And van Gaal is somehow the unreasonable one?
I mean, even if that were "it" (it isn't) then still a Champions League with Ajax is not something to be sniffed at.
But he also has multiple league titles in La Liga, Bundesliga and Eredivise to his name, a UEFA Cup, multiple Super Cups, domestic cups and a 3rd place finish at the World Cup with a poor/aging Dutch side. All while developing and coaching some of the best talent to ever grace their respective positions.
So I think his career is a little better than being "not really all that good"
As it pertains to this situation, I understand his bitterness given the manner of his dismissal and I think it is obvious he still feels let down by Woodward during his time here and he subsequently carried the can for his incompetence.
A CL in 95 is hardly a great achievement considering the clubs he managed and his long career. Saf gets criticised for winning just 2 CL despite his endless list of honours and the fact that United could really financially compete with the Spanish/Italian clubs mid way of his career. Also Dutch football of the time was way better then it is today That ajax team would easily beat our team.
I don't get LVG sourness either. He is been around for decades, he got fired many times and had managed far ruthless clubs to ours. Yet he seem to have issues with only us
Which makes me wonder is his hatred towards us or is it jealousy towards ETH. I mean LVG was the Don of Dutch football and Ajax up until ETH showed up. Erik might not be to his level yet but if he succeeds at a club where LVG failed....yes managers can be that petty (ex sacchi)
No 1 CL is not poor. Barca in the 90s wasn't the force of mid to late 00s, and it wasn't a massive club outside of Spain.
He reached the final with Bayern.
And we were a mess when he came. It s not like we were the United of the old.
And he also lost another CL final in penalties.
Winning the CL for manager like LVG or SAF (who has only 2) was always more difficult, because they were architects of clubs - they were not like Pep (post Barca) or Jose who just want to outspend everyone in the market (who both have only 2).
A CL title in any year is a great achievement, for Ajax who were not in a position to compete financially with the rest of Europe at the time, even more so, to then be a penalty shoot out away from repeating the achievement minus Rijkaard and Seedorf.
If you try to remove all context from a situation then you can be dismissive of almost anything accomplished in football.
And just because a manager is wrongly criticised for not winning a cup competition more than arbitrary "X" amount of times, doesn't mean that it is ok to then do it for other coaches.
At those.clubs that LvG was fired from, I bet if you asked him if he felt like he was backed in the market and his targets acquired he would probably tell you that he was, he absolutely wasn't backed here and in his own words, got his 4th or 5th choice routinely. Whether he is right or wrong to feel a certain way about us after that, I don't know. But I can certainly understand being backed and told the job you isn't up to standard and being able to accept that, rather than being asked to accept being the fall guy after not being backed and being shit canned hours after just having delivered a domestic title.
Bizarre indeed
It's actually hilarious how so many react based on just headline.
Player himself said he will be moving to ManUtd but move didn't happen as we didn't go for him after getting Antony. Then Southampton made the move and player was not sure about last min changes.
Somehow it got translated to "Van Gaal asked Gakpo not to move to ManUtd".
He's not though. He doesn't give a shit if players move to Chelsea, City, Norwich or whoever. It's only when they go to us it's a problem, so he can feck off
By the title I thought it meant he should get a cease and desist order against the caf to stop idiots posting stupid crap about him.
I don't see it? LvG told Gakpo shouldn't move to oversea club (not United specifically) in World cup year. It's totally sensible.
In which part that he said "United bad" ?
In which part that he said "United bad" ?
Whitwell is suggesting today it’s more to do with Ronaldo staying, paying an extra 20m for Antony and ETH deciding not to loan out Elanga to Leicester. If Ronaldo went we’d have signed him. If Antony was cheaper we’d have signed him even with Ronaldo staying. Either way, we pulled out and he then rightly decided not to rush into a decision and join Leeds.
Or conscious. To him, as an ex employee, the owners are the club. He had many grievances, of which the way he was sacked was among the worst. The people to blame here are 100% the Glazers and Woody and whoever made those calls. LVG deserved better. Stay classy, Glazers, sounds wrong. They are a disgrace to the badge.
Not a case of bitterness, just a case of dont make that transfer right before a world cup, because chances are you will at least start as a bench player and lose form.
Van Gaal is a massive twat, but this is good advice. Gakpo isnt good enough for United and shouldnt go there.
Van Gaal is a massive twat, but this is good advice. Gakpo isnt good enough for United and shouldnt go there.
Don't forget the fact that 1996 Juve were doped out of their minds on PEDS.
It's quite silly that title hasnt been stripped from them.
Sounds like we pulled out rather than Gakpo turning us down anyway. This is just talk to make it seem like it was his choice for some club brownie points.
I fecking hate LvG but nothing wrong here. Telling a player a transfer before the world cup might not be the best idea is just obvious advice.
Players/managers talking to other players/managers and advising them about moves... is not controversial. Im sure Casemiro talked to Varane and Fred about his move.
Should we outlaw negative advice?
I'm sure other NT managers do the same. Would Rangnick dissuade Austrians to join United? Is it a big deal if he does? Not really.
Feck Van Gaal, he's a cnut, but he ain't the first and it's nothing special.
Should we outlaw negative advice?
I'm sure other NT managers do the same. Would Rangnick dissuade Austrians to join United? Is it a big deal if he does? Not really.
Feck Van Gaal, he's a cnut, but he ain't the first and it's nothing special.
Jurrien Timber in an interview with Algemeen Dagblad mentioned that he didn't consult with Van Gaal about a possible move to Manchester United, unlike what was suggested in lots of media. He said he spoke with Van Gaal during the last National break, but Van Gaal said: if you make a choice, Im confidence you will get playing time wherever you will go.
Gakpo however confirmed he spoke with Van Gaal in an interview with NOS. He said Van gaal told him to follow his own feeling, but that he felt a transfer in a world cup year would not be ideal for him. That was not necessarily about Unite though, also about Leeds and Southampton which were eager to sign him.
So to be honest, this thread sound like a lot of bull to me..
Gakpo however confirmed he spoke with Van Gaal in an interview with NOS. He said Van gaal told him to follow his own feeling, but that he felt a transfer in a world cup year would not be ideal for him. That was not necessarily about Unite though, also about Leeds and Southampton which were eager to sign him.
So to be honest, this thread sound like a lot of bull to me..
Van Gaal was very much correct in his assumption here. It’s nothing against us. He wants one of his fringe players pushing for a first 11 place which if he stays grounded he might well do for the next 6 months.
Come to a new league and culture / tactics you don’t know if he can throw in a WC too in that time period. All different styles of football.
Come to a new league and culture / tactics you don’t know if he can throw in a WC too in that time period. All different styles of football.
We should have treated him better then...
Regardless of what you think of his performance as manager the way we handled his sacking was poor form
We didn't even try buy Gakpo in the end, thankfully.
I read that and couldn’t remember when I’d written it! Literally couldn’t of said it better myself.
I’ve no issue with LVG advising players off United or moves, he’s more informed then anybody on a footballforum.
This thread 
This seems more like a case of different news outlets cobbling things together. It all stems from an interview Gakpo had with the NOS.
He basically said that Utd showed interest weeks before the deadline, but that interest started to wane as time moved forward. Then towards the deadline, and especially in the final days, there was concrete interest from clubs Southampton and Leeds. His decision to ultimately stay at PSV was influenced by a combination of factors that he weighed, including a conversation with Van Gaal in that regard.
Which makes complete sense. Talented as Gakpo is, he’s far from a guaranteed starter. Even in the national team. And imo Gakpo’s chances of playing in the World Cup would have been hurt had he moved to either Utd, where he would have no guarantees of starting, or Southampton/Leeds where he could struggle at a mid table team.
At no point, in any of the interpretations from media outlets, did I read animosity towards Utd in this particular instance from Van Gaal. Just Gakpo making an informed decision based on several factors.
He basically said that Utd showed interest weeks before the deadline, but that interest started to wane as time moved forward. Then towards the deadline, and especially in the final days, there was concrete interest from clubs Southampton and Leeds. His decision to ultimately stay at PSV was influenced by a combination of factors that he weighed, including a conversation with Van Gaal in that regard.
Which makes complete sense. Talented as Gakpo is, he’s far from a guaranteed starter. Even in the national team. And imo Gakpo’s chances of playing in the World Cup would have been hurt had he moved to either Utd, where he would have no guarantees of starting, or Southampton/Leeds where he could struggle at a mid table team.
At no point, in any of the interpretations from media outlets, did I read animosity towards Utd in this particular instance from Van Gaal. Just Gakpo making an informed decision based on several factors.
How should it have been handled differently? Sacking the manager just before a cup final he had taken the team to is much worse, no? Worse for him and worse for the team.
But he definitely needed to be sacked. We were so so bad under him. And hindsight has proven that almost every single signing he made was a bad one. Plus he froze out/moved on players that hindsight has proved could have been useful for us, if managed properly. For someone with this great reputation for developing youngsters it’s actually remarkable how consistently he backed the wrong ones.
There’s no way he could be allowed to waste even more money and weaken our squad any more than he had already. He had to be fired before that summer transfer window.
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This. 100% this. Shocking how so many can't understand this simple fact. And that this is not the first time bitter Van Gaal is trash-talking United.
"the way we handled his sacking was poor form" is silly. All sacking is ugly. How do you fire somebody and make it pretty? There is no such thing.
If you think me saying that it's a problem people won't read the article and will just believe what you've said, when your own headline statement isn't even supported by the article you've attached, is "attacking" the OP then feck me...
What’s this got to do with the topic of van gaal?
So van Gaal didn’t advise a single player to avoid United in the end. Funny thread.
There's nothing wrong with us sacking him necessarily, I think the main problem was it seemed clear that we were basically waiting to see if Mourinho fancied the job and as soon aa he became available we ditched LvG with terrible timing.
Kind of like ditching your girlfriend the day after her birthday for the hotter girl at work you've been claiming is "just a friend" the day after she also split-up with her partner...
I personally feel if Jose hadn't become available we would have given LvG a 3rd season and I think behind the scenes there was no indication the club was unhappy with him.
Totally nonsensical reading of the article aside, it doesn't matter what the heck Louis van Gaal says. Did it stop Malacia? No. If they haven't got the strength of personality to get past what an old man is saying and back themselves, then how the heck are they going to be successful for us? You have to get people desperate to come in the first place, which we have done this summer.
this is what LVG said according to the article in the OP..
I asked the national coach [Louis van Gaal] for advice. He thought I should follow my gut feeling, but also said that a transfer in a World Cup year would not really be ideal, also because of adjustment. I agreed with him."
the reaction is just a bit over the top.
I asked the national coach [Louis van Gaal] for advice. He thought I should follow my gut feeling, but also said that a transfer in a World Cup year would not really be ideal, also because of adjustment. I agreed with him."
the reaction is just a bit over the top.
His advice made sense. Moving to a new and harder league during a World Cup year will always be a risk. Especially when the team you're moving to has a lot of competition in your position. He would be competing against Sancho and Rashford.
It is also up to the individual to make up their own mind. He told ETH not to come here and he ignored him.
It is also up to the individual to make up their own mind. He told ETH not to come here and he ignored him.