So lets get this straight and call it as it is yeah... 4 players signed for MF.
- Blind was in contention for the SMB player of the year award in his debut season.
- Herrera won it. He played him 72 games in 2 seasons, far from ignored like you've previously said. Maybe, just maybe he needed a season or 2 to adapt as is common with foreign players coming into play in the PL?
- Bastian was a fair transfer considering fees vs experience he could bring to the side.
- Morgan didn't work out.
50/50 I'd argue. I'll go into this more below but in a nutshell our problem is supporters expecting instant results constantly.
Again no obsession I'm just point out the fallacy of the myth Jose took over a team in worse shape than LVG did. These sentiments floating around from morons that LVG did more damage than good.
Oh LVG didn't make any attempt at rebuilding, provided links showing he did. I named 8 players that made up the nucleus of his starting XI for the future. What was Jose's best XI by the Liverpool game in December last? It was commonly said Jose hadn't a feckin clue what his best side was. He actually went backwards even in finding his best XI. He had 3 maybe 4 players at most nailed on every game in DDG, Young, Fellaini & Matic. That aside, it was chop / change every single match.
I can tell you matter of fact most of what LVG's best XI was.
There's a thing called transitions in football. As has been pointed out by myself and
@Aloysius's Back 3 - Our MF was lacking pace / tempo and even if he went with Herrera in there it still lacked it. There is only so much a manager can fix in a certain time frame, but folks like you expected world class everything instantly.
Our defence had improved with a settled CB pairing in Smalling / Blind. Shaw was his LB until he broke his leg.
Attack was fairly settled with Rooney or Rashford playing CF, LW was Martial and RW was Mata.
The MF was the issue and arguably for many still is an issue cause Matic's legs are gone and Fred is still adapting. Our MF has been a constant issue for all managers.
A "Terrible" defense which protected De Gea from having to save more shots than it did in the next 2 years?
The stats show De Gea was worked far more frequently per 90 mins in his 2 seasons under Jose. The defense was literally by passed / breached over and over every single game with Jose there and his tactical set up.
The stat does not in anyway at all prove your point
I'll give you further evidence.
Smalling - Look at his PL performance data for 2015/16 vs 2016/17. He performed far better all round in 15/16 than a year later. The only thing that shows an improvement on is Clearances going from 5.1 clearances to 7 per 90mins. If anything this again proves he had more work to do due to our tactical set up and inviting teams to attack us.
https://www.sofascore.com/player/chris-smalling/47741
Blind - Same story again! He performed superbly alongside Smalling. Please feel free to look at his performance data again in the Premier league for 2015/16 vs a year later in 2016/17. All round, everything he performed far better for LVG than he done for Jose.
https://www.sofascore.com/player/daley-blind/44864
There was a working CB partnership which Jose broke up and favored Bailly in there and dropped Smalling. Due to us conceding possession to our opponents, the MF and DF was over ran and we relied upon De Gea to be the Great Wall and "save" us over and over.
The performance data proves this. Common sense dictates if you don't have the ball you are a defensive / reactionary team, I mean wasn't it a common complaint about us conceding first and having to continually come from behind to save points in games under Jose? By my rough count this morning we went
behind in 14 premier leagues under LVG to save points.
Jose, 17 games where we went behind.
For me there is a clear indication that even before a ball is kicked our mindset was negative to allow our opponents to come at us, hang on, wait for errors and try punish them, a clear defeatist attitude and hanging on for survival.
The point about Shaw was that Jose had fallen out with him time and time again. He routinely blamed Shaw for defeats, at one point he said something along the lines of him being stupid and lacking intelligence I believe.
Sample here of his near weekly public shaming he received.
So? He played well in all positions. Blind is a quality footballer, I'd give anything to have Blind back in our team over some of our current options at LB or CM. Thank feck we've Young at LB as cover now, its not like he's costing us games is it?
Sure Blind is doing nowt with Ajax as well, just a CL Semi Final is all.
No manager gets all their transfers right, not LVG's fault Blind was sold. He is more than good enough to play over Matic currently and arguably every bit as good as Fred or McTominay.
Herrera is still there and done a job for Jose in his first season.
Bastian & Morgan failed sure, so be it.
The bit in bold, well lets not forget Carrick retired as LVG was outgoing. Again, he would of had to have been replaced and as we didn't get to see season 3 of LVG we won't know how he would of been replaced. Weather it was Jose or LVG that choice had to be made.
Random? NO. Supporting my argument, Yes!
You just post cliched bollicks pal.
Yes rough time, remember the chants of boring at games from self entitled wank stains, judging by your sentiments here I'd not be surprised to see you condone or be surprised if you were part of it.
LVG made every attempt at rebuilding our squad, he invested in youth and obviously tried to play the United way by investing in exciting, wide, pacey attacking players with Memphis, ADM and Martial. Memphis had a rotten attitude, ADM didn't want to be here and I believe this signing was more to do with marketing and his hand was forced but he still gave him a fair crack at it and Martial delivered.
I asked you a very simple question which you have conveniently deleted in your idiotic ranting here.
If Ole fails to get top 4 next season would you be in favor of sacking him? Simple yes or no will suffice.
Maybe, just maybe it was because Keane was older and further along in his development? SHOCK HORROR!
He debuted in 2011 (18 Years old) and was out on loan across the Championship (5 clubs) and supporters were crying out for him to be played by LVG. He done that and gave him a run out aged 22! He got injured and who was next in line? Rashford.
Rashford at the time was 18. He hadn't been out on loan at all, hadn't played for ANY senior side.
Seriously talk about twisting things to suit your clear obsessive hatred of LVG.
Maybe if you actually used some common sense and judged fairly without your clear personal disliking of LVG cloud your sentiments you'd actually see this is just common sense again, something you seriously lack.
Whole paragraph is complete bollicks in a nutshell. Standard for you at this point though.
I'm on about since he's left United.
Last season Memphis was involved in more goals in the French league than Mbappe & Neymar. He's not done as well this season but still doing fine with goal involvement every other game. He's been involved in approx 80 goals in 110 games for Lyon ffs.
Your not sure about weather Falcao performed for Monaco?
Embarrassing statement! Just the 67 goals in 110 games is all when he went back to France, Oh and sure he only won the league and made a Champions league SF.
Falcao was well worth the risk as all I'm saying and the point is proven by his form after his horrible injuries. It didn't hurt the club financially signing him, Jose felt he was worth the same risk too. It's feckin moronic to say otherwise but you will cause you know your clear disliking of LVG.
And on the flip side of that what did he give?
Smalling & Blind a performing CB pairing, Shaw at LB with Varela or TFM at RB coming through.
Herrera in MF
Martial on the LW, Rashford as CF.
That's 8 players I count.
Get over your feckin obsession of expecting managers to deliver perfect transfers.
It's posted routinely here that Jose performed far better, just pointing out the fallacy in that argument. He did not.
LVG Day of sacking - tied with 4th on pts
Jose Day of Sacked - 11 points off 4th.
Mata has always suffered that way and forced to play RW for all managers. It's not something that only happened during LVG's tenure. He was used often as a RW at Chelsea, Moyes done the same, LVG done the same, Jose has and now even Ole.
No he didn't, you're wrong.
Simple click here... 25 games as CF and just 7 as a winger.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ant...14&verein=&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id=
You said this on an earlier post...
"The front 3 LVG build after 2 years of transfer business was number 10 and 9s playing on the wing including 2 inconsistent youngsters, no top striker, no top winger, no player that can score +20 goals a season."
Point I'm making is our front line was in better shape under LVG. It was more evenly balanced with pace, tempo and creativity than what Jose left us with.
We had a CF at CF, A player with the ability to play LW playing LW and a senior player that had often played RW albeit him being shoehorned into the side there. But still LVG also tried to address the RW issue by buying ADM but it didn't work out and we recouped most of our money spent there.
We had wingers in Martial and Memphis, Jose phased out Martial by refusing to play him even though he was performing and Memphis was given a whopping FOUR games to prove himself before he shipped him out to Lyon. Hardly given a fair crack with Jose was he?
It's sad and pathetic your praise for Ole for youth but sum up LVG's use of youth as "luck".
Ole is focusing on youth the same way LVG did.
Ole uses Greenwood, Garner, Chong & Gomes and is praised as it was all planned...
But
When LVG involved youth he had no plan, he only used them cause of injuries and deserves no praise?
We had injuries going into recent games. Martial, Rashford and Lingard all missed games and in turn he debuted Garner, Chong & Greenwood.Exactly the same situation behind LVG debuting Rashford (Martial got injured), Borthwith Jackon due to an injury crisis (again a link is provided).
LVG "Depended" as you put it for Ole on youth players to step up. You have read far too much BS articles from the sun / 90 mins and bought it as gospel. Almost ALL youth players debut due to injuries / bans. It's fecking moronic to slate a particular manager for debuting youths for this and praising another but that is exactly what you have done here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Borthwick-Jackson
Clear, biased and ill informed agenda against LVG.
One of the greatest managers in the history of the game who used youth players to his advantage throughout his career, but only at United can we find Supporters who use terms like "Luck".
Was it luck that LVG debuted
a world class Ajax side, Iniesta, Muller, Alaba, Badstuber & Xavi to name but a few? But he "got lucky" finding Rashford?
I'm sick to the back of my feckin teeth with plebs like you posting utter, utter nonsense! An entire career with a clear, concise plan focused on youth players and we've fecking idiots posting about luck.
You very much seem to think all our issues can be righted in a single summer and we can go from struggling to achieve top 4 to premier league champions and dominate again. It isn't that simple and all managers are going to have mistakes with transfers and rely on youth in times of injuries / bans.
Hence I keep asking you, if Ole performs in a similar manner and fails to get top 4 next season will you be running here to abuse him too and call for his head. We eventually have to say to a manager its OK to fail as long as work is being done and we are moving in the right direction, which we were under LVG. We went from 4th to 7th, the team was being rebuilt and had at least 8 players who made up the core of it and a clear focus on youth, a long term vision.