The technology is the issue, as unlike the goal line technology it is leaving humans to decide the outcome still, so errors are always going to be made, which is a bit mad when its purpose is the total opposite.
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Right up Liverpool's arses as per, anyone else gets a clear decision against them and it's "oh well, it happens"
Did the linesman flag at the time? Firstly I thought they're told not to, and these days carrying on for a few seconds can risk a booking.
Or even weirder, did the officials just decide it was offside afterwards?
And then no-one checked.
Weird.
Bet there's plenty of conspiracies knocking about on the Pool forum
They need to get chips on players and the ball, and map the ground out with hawkeye and suchlike.
Then get a computer to instantly give an offside or not, rather than have a bunch of retired refs having a jolly in a portable cabin miles away.
He wasn't crazy for suggesting the wrong angle was used, he just didn't seem to know how the system works. The entire point of the tech aspect is that it compensates for the camera angle, so what ETH argued simply didn't make sense. The only way the "wrong" angle could be used is if they couldn't actually see the relevant body parts.
This doesn't have anything to do with the camera angles though and even if it it did Diaz looked onside.
I’m glad they got an apology out to Liverpool ASAP.
Meanwhile, in Manchester, the world still says “Remember that goal vs City”
Meanwhile, in Manchester, the world still says “Remember that goal vs City”
What happened to the semi-automated stuff that FIFA were trialling?
What part of the technology played a part in todays games? The VAR person gets to choose to intervene or not and thats the key part.
They cornered themselves with that statement of “not re refereeing a game”. There was a moment today that a ref gave a goal kick on Garnacho when it was a corner, it would take a VAR official one second to radio that info to the ref but they dont want to use it for that.
Well they’ve opened themselves up for questions now the camera angle is a massive deal if they’re not checking properly which they clearly aren’t like they’ve shown today
Martinelli against Everton and Garnacho against Arsenal have happened in previous weeks and have been called out to be the wrong decision based on the angle used
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has anyone got a clip of the other incident I think Martial or someone behind him took a shot and the Palace player had his hands on his chest and kinda saved it or it looked like he did. I thought that was nailed on too.
Why are Liverpool getting immediate apologies and rescinded red cards?
What about the other 19 clubs?
What about the other 19 clubs?
The Epl one is dropping lines and spending an age to come up with a decision. Also needs human intervention instead of automatically checking all goals for offside.
Linesman flagged after it went in.
Seemed like the VAR just looked at the image and for some reason decided that he was so clearly off that it wasn't even worth checking.
It seems they just didn’t check which is truly glorious 
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Its funny because it’s Liverpool but they’ve just completely opened themselves up to be questioned about every single decision, the technology is fecked now.It seems they just didn’t check which is truly glorious
But that’s what fans were saying? They used the harder angle to get the points form rather than the straight in angle they skipped over?
The only way it was offside was because the defender twisted himself up to get a freak decision, how the camera angle behind them was used is still ridiculous
So predictable they tripped over themsleves to get that statement out as soon as they could. Meanwhile the dug their heels in over the Romero and Garnacho incidents. The Press still have the gall to keep suggesting the refs favour us.
I’d like to on record for at least being consistent. I also argued that Casemiro’s red card was correct.Let's agree to disagree. Though I remain convinced that you'd be saying the opposite if it had been against a United player
Although finding myself defending two VAR decisions feels weird. I hate the fecking thing and would love it be mothballed.
How? They just didn’t check it. So it has zero relevance on ones they checked. Neville is talking bollocks.
Aye, as horrendous mistakes go this one has done a lot to improve my mood.
It's funny because it's Liverpool, but isn't VAR supposed to check every goal?It seems they just didn’t check which is truly glorious
So the monkeys in charge of using the technology just didn't actually bother using the technology?
Caf: this is why the technology is shit.
Caf: this is why the technology is shit.
Well how can they just not check it?? It was a goal ffs. That’s as bad as it gets, it’s borderline corruption at that point
They’ve made a glaring error how do we know other errors aren’t being made
I’m not sure. I guess they look at it first and deem if it’s close first before they draw the lines rather than slow the game down for no reason. Why they didn’t think it was close is baffling though…
Utter shocker but that was still open to some sort of interpretation. I am baffled how that goal was given offside, there was nothing about it up for debate unless I'm missing something
They put the line off the defender's shoulder when the head was further forward, they used an image at least 10 frames after the ball is played where two relevant players were travelling in opposing directions and each frame of inaccuracy represents enough distance to affect the decision and they used the least ideal camera angle (which would have shown correct defender body part to use and that Garnacho was onside).
The line technology is also not infallible. It has a margin of inaccuracy, so even if they have to use the less ideal angle they did, there is even more importance on correct frame identification and body part.
Woopsie!
Klopp rightly furious, like this does feck all. And they can’t even really call these morons out without getting additional bans and fines.
And still they can't make it right like we have seen in our games. Horrific decisions game after game and I'm still amazed that our club haven't issued a statement about this. We just let them. So there is no point having VAR. It makes you wonder how and why they can still make those decisions when millions of people see it differently. Technology is not wrong. People using it are. VAR is not for football because people are using it.
Well it’s not fit for purpose if it still needs monkeys, is it?So the monkeys in charge of using the technology just didn't actually bother using the technology?
Caf: this is why the technology is shit.
There is no doubt we are still being punished for the correct application of illogical rules on interfering with play.
The technology can be as accurate it likes, but if it has to call on humans to interpret what it is saying then it is becomes the problem, it's clear they're not up to it by now, and are just making a wrong call look even worse than is was before it was there.
The only thing that doesn't need humans after the decision is made the goal line technology so that's the only part I'd keep for now.
foreigners still here after brexit.
Spurs boss gets it.
This is where I am with it. Just sack it off until they can find a way to not make a pigs ear of it.
How do you forget to check?
It's literally the thing you're there to do...
It's literally the thing you're there to do...
As long as they could see the relevant body parts in the angle they used (which they could) then the offside lines are the same as they would be from any other angle they could have used. Again, that's the entire point of the tech, it compensates for the angle. Arguing they used the wrong one is nonsensical.