Terrible news as I fully expect them to vote it out leaving the referees with even more unchecked power than they have already to feck things up.
VAR and Refs | General Discussion | May 15: Premier League clubs to vote on proposal to scrap VAR from next season
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It was better, though.
Yup. This is a very dumb move if they vote it.
The minute one of these decisions goes against a team and is in favour of let’s say ‘Manchester United’ it’ll all be about how we get favoured yadda yadda yadda.
This is all very childish, Forest, Wolves etc. rather than push to scrap it. Why don’t you push for a reform? Change the way decisions are made using it.
It's a figure of speech
I wasn't the original poster who said life was fine without VAR, but overall I do agree with his sentiment. Football was more enjoyable to watch. As a fan, I could actually celebrate goals.Keeping VAR and getting better referees would make sense. But then very little in football makes sense these days.
Make it on a challenge basis. 1 per team per game.
Football without VAR is better. Football has too many subjective calls for it to ever be 100% fool proof.
You still had inconsistent and controversial decisions but it was split second decisions, not still getting it wrong with the option to review it from several different angles.
I don't think VAR as such is a massive problem just how they choose to apply it from game to game.
You still had inconsistent and controversial decisions but it was split second decisions, not still getting it wrong with the option to review it from several different angles.
I don't think VAR as such is a massive problem just how they choose to apply it from game to game.
Sorry my mad it's a been long dayIt's a figure of speech
. I actually forgot the initial phrase included the word life.Yeah as I've said I don't get the not celebrating thing. It's a minority of goals disallowed.
If they're going to continue implementing it as it is, I'd rather not have it at all.
They should be voting on the refs not VAR. The technology is good, the people using it are not. It would be embarrassing in a way if they vote it out
These refs aren't going to be anything any better if they removed VAR though. They'll be just as shit and there'll be no chance of getting up the right decision.
Not to mention, the fans and players can have an impact on the on field official, whereas VAR is beyond our reach and can act with impunity.
That doesn't stop me from worrying that they'll find a way to disallow any goal. There was one vs Fulham away in November where I actually celebrated it as I knew the two players who touched the ball weren't offside, but VAR still found a way to disallow it due to a 'subjective offside'. Moments like those make you worry about any goal being disallowed.Sorry my mad it's a been long day
Yeah as I've said I don't get the not celebrating thing. It's a minority of goals disallowed.
I get the worry I suppose but it doesn't stop me celebrating. I get lost in the moment. Bit of a goldfish memory, I suppose
That doesn’t bother me. I just want to spontaneity back. That’s paramount for me.
As much as I'd like to see it binned, I can't see it happening. It's like Pandora's box. There's no going back unfortunately.
Well done Wolves. I REALLY hope VAR gets binned. I have no idea how many clubs will vote to get rid, but I expect the PL will do whatever they can to pressure clubs to keep it, including promising changes which wil probably amount to little more than yet more tinkering.
There are many reasons it's shit, but the main reason for me is that it's being run by people who look at the shirt and worry about the narrative more than they judge the situation in isolation on its merits.
Have an automatic system for offside, goal line and out of play notices to the ref. Scrap the rest. It takes away far more than it adds to the game. The rest, as many others have said, is too subjective.
There are many reasons it's shit, but the main reason for me is that it's being run by people who look at the shirt and worry about the narrative more than they judge the situation in isolation on its merits.
Have an automatic system for offside, goal line and out of play notices to the ref. Scrap the rest. It takes away far more than it adds to the game. The rest, as many others have said, is too subjective.
Fire it into the sun. Credit to Wolves.
Except few (and yes, there were only few) VAR major mistakes, this season biggest outrage after every round is about was some penalty "soft" or not (but there WAS a contact and it has nothing to do with VAR).
Now, lets go few seasons in the past; goals from offsides and after clear fouls, penalties after clear dives, brutal tackles for red cards not seen by the ref and similiar shit.
Some of you really want that back? Just because you can't celebrate goals like you did before? Mind-blowing stuff.
Now, lets go few seasons in the past; goals from offsides and after clear fouls, penalties after clear dives, brutal tackles for red cards not seen by the ref and similiar shit.
Some of you really want that back? Just because you can't celebrate goals like you did before? Mind-blowing stuff.
This is the logical solution. And if the challenge successfully overturns the call, you get it back, as in the NFL.
Half the time people moan about VAR, it's because the people using it won't overturn something a referee has got wrong. Implementation has been horrendous.
Getting rid of it won't fix anything. We'll all be moaning again next season when referee's are still getting everything wrong and there's no way to overturn it.
Getting rid of it won't fix anything. We'll all be moaning again next season when referee's are still getting everything wrong and there's no way to overturn it.
Given it’s the most powerful, emotive element of watching a game of football, yes, absolutely.
Getting rid of it is exactly what the monkeys operating the system want.
The way VAR has been run is borderline sabotage.
The way VAR has been run is borderline sabotage.
Exactly . It's their Palpatine moment.
In a nutshell
Be quite obvious from day one they were trying to sabotage it from the inside
I dislike VAR but I'm sure it will be missed. All options have their flaws.
VAR is great in principle but, we essentially have 2 referees reffing the game which where the problem lies. Why not just put both on the pitch? Or send the pitch referee to the monitor everytime and let them figure out if they need to issue a red card, penalty or whatever. Leaving the main ref in thr dark seems odd to me.
The one fecking genuine use for VAR is off-ball incidents yet they are too cowardly to do anything. Pathetic as per usual
They should swap it out for an appeals system like cricket or american football. one challenge per half. if you're right you keep the challenge
How do you decide if you're challenge is "right" though?
At the minute, there's unlimited reviews and they're still making incorrect decisions for some teams every game.
I agree.
If that situation with Amrabat and Gordon was on the other end and we weren’t given a penalty, I’d be fuming.
Yeah we got real lucky there
I'm not sure. I think if they have a year to go study and observe other VAR operations it might help.
Never a penalty. Casemiro takes the ball. Gordon and Amrabat is just ordinary collision. Not every contact is penalty.
Yeh, was a pen. Didn't think it was in real time, still didn't think it was after a couple replays. But the more I saw it the more it looked a pen.
We're never in a million years getting that penalty either, so I don't have much sympathy. At least for Newcastle the media will be suitably outraged on their behalf, would barely have mentioned it if it was Garnacho
Agree with that. Still think that VAR would not have overturned it had the ref given it.
Think that’s a penalty.
It wasn't an ordinary collision. He trods on his achilles. It's a foul.