VAR and Refs | General Discussion
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Because the ball had got away from him. Which is what triggered the embarrassing dive. This is obvious stuff. How can you be so wrong about both incidents?!
instant response and then after seeing the replay, he says it won't be overturned
I just looked again. Errmmmm
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How's that been given as a pen?! 
You’re going to have to elaborate on that one.
Have some god damn honesty ffs
As shameless as Jota.Embarrassing
You’re right about the dive bit. There’s nothing in VAR rules as far as I know that says they can’t point out to the ref he took two steps after (min8mal) contact and THEN collapsed both legs, which is not what happens when you get ankle tapped.
Watch his left ankle/foot/leg/reaction here. It’s a dive and nothing else, I’d call a United player out for it.
https://x.com/jesshoskingx/status/1741945428772278746?s=61&t=ZvGzfV2Qafn11jKrPfufuA
Still no idea how that was deemed a penalty by VAR. Definitely one of the worst decisions they've made.
Have some shame for gods sake. Fair enough the best team won tonight but it's an absolutely embarassing decision. I've watched it like 10 times to see if there's contact, the keeper pulls his hands away, Jota takes another step, then throws himself to the ground. It's horrendous.
"The ball had got away from him"
Utter nonsense. Complete bilge. Watch it three more times. Anyone scores that.
How? How do you get a penalty for that? Then HOW does var not overturn it. That’s embarrassing
Bullshit. It was heavy touch, taking him wide at pace. On a greasy pitch. A dive was definitely the easier option.
So many clueless takes in this thread…
If Man Utd were awarded a penalty like that one there would be full scale uproar with rival fans screaming about corruption and Talksport pundits winging about it for weeks.
Mikel should freelance and make post-match interviews for other clubs. This is absurd...
Well you're definitely in the minority here so perhaps the cluelessness lies with you?
Ran away from him. Feck me.
100%
He's clearly taken it too wide and far ahead to make it an easy finish, he went for the cheap dive option instead. I can't see how people are having difficulty with it.
This is absolute nonsense. He takes about 3 more steps after a slight brush from dubravka and then throws himself to the floor.
I said got away from him actually. But hey, you’re getting there. Eventually.
Your next task is googling what “minority” means.
Because (some) people are stupid. Or biased. Or both.
I genuinely think you are just trolling me now. Nah, I refuse to believe you are being serious. Well played mate.
Do you think it was a pen then
was he clipped?
...sigh...no mate I don't.
Aye, and people online know when others have played sport their whole lives or not. I wouldn't call that a penalty for any player Utd or not.
If clipped you can go down, anyone can after a few steps when clipped at speed, but there's a difference between falling and throwing yourself down. You wouldn't throw yourself to the ground when running like Diaz did. Same with Jota for the second penalty. Both are dives.
If those are penalties then Newcastle should have had one before the Liverpool second goal.
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Then what are you arguing with pogue for. He said he dived
It’s so mad how someone can’t see this. Never mind someone who claims to play competitive sports. If you’re tripped at pace - and try to stay on your feet but can’t - you usually end up eating shit in a very ungraceful way. The way they both threw themselves to the ground - with their backs arched - couldn’t have been more unnatural. Nobody goes down like the final scene of Platoon after having their foot clipped.
Obviously there can be a debate about whether it’s ok to draw the ref’s attention to a trip that isn’t enough to knock them over but might prevent them scoring. But referees have been briefed this season to clamp down on players exaggerating minimal contact, or deliberately engineering contact to win a penalty. Which seems to be what happened here.
Yeah, you're going to stumble and probably fall forward. You're not going to throw you're legs up, arch your back and jump to the ground.
Clear exaggeration and should have been called for diving. But players will continue to do it, because it doesn't meet the threshold for a clear and obvious error if the referee gives a penalty on field.
I watched the first half with a Liverpool fan and they didn't think it was a penalty either.
Looking beyond the Liverpool game I hate this idea that any sort of contact in the box is basically a penalty. It’s a physical sport but players are just diving all over the place on the most minimal contact. It seems to be happening even more than before and it’s just ugly to watch
The funny thing is that Diaz penalty is probably a dive but one where you can get away with the lost his balance argument, the Jota one is just a clear & obvious dive and if you can’t see that then there’s no hope for you. If anything the Diaz one in the same game somehow makes the Jota one seem even worse
Just seen the highlights. Wow that Jota dive was embarrassing. He should be rightly called out for it.
Exactly. It shouldn’t be! even Webb said this during Mic’d Up
Yeah, it’s mad to see that happen twice in the same game. And I agree the Diaz one was a bit more marginal. The Jota one was so embarrassing though. Cringe.
There is no point blaming players for diving anymore. It's the referees and the governing body's fault now. They are the reason it is as bad as it is now.
Zero risk, massive reward and it is rewarded so frequently. Nothing to lose. Go for it.
Zero risk, massive reward and it is rewarded so frequently. Nothing to lose. Go for it.
I was talking to someone about this and players willl continue to chance their arm, because if the referee gives it, VAR won't overturn it or in most cases it won't be deemwd a clear and obvious error.
Or if the referee doesn't give and VAR doesn't give it, they probably won't be booked for diving either.
It's a situation that rewards cheating.
Jota took a heavy touch around the keeper, felt his ankle brush the keepers shoulder (I think shoulder), realised the ball couldn’t be tapped in as it had run too far so dived to the ground. It’s as clear as day if you watch the footage. What’s the point of VAR if how it operates in the PL results in this still being a penalty?
Exactly.