It’s the fundamental flaw in how VAR is applied in these situations. They are looking for a reason to disallow it, instead of checking if there is a clear and obvious error.
This only applies to subjective decisions. 99% of offsides are objective.
It’s the fundamental flaw in how VAR is applied in these situations. They are looking for a reason to disallow it, instead of checking if there is a clear and obvious error.
They showed a replay at half-time, not the one they kept showing during the game, where you could see he was miles onside. But yeah feck them. You'd struggle to implement a worse version of VAR.
This only applies to subjective decisions. 99% of offsides are objective.
And literally right after Casemiro got sent off that game - hence why they didn't send off the Palace guy who did very similar in the same melee. That mid-Match rule change saved him just in time!Must be a rule change made after cas got sent off at Palace last season
It’s the fundamental flaw in how VAR is applied in these situations. They are looking for a reason to disallow it, instead of checking if there is a clear and obvious error.
True, but they use that approach for subjective decisions as well. Handballs are a good example.
And is this particular case, it seemed clear from the pictures that were shown that you couldn’t possibly tell whether Casemiro was offside, because he was obscured by a bunch of other players. But they kept looking and looking for an excuse to disallow it.
And literally right after Casemiro got sent off that game - hence why they didn't send off the Palace guy who did very similar in the same melee. That mid-Match rule change saved him just in time!
Couldn't believe they didn't send off the Forest guy tonight. Couldn't have been more blatant. How VAR can look at that and not see it as a red is incredible.
But the on-field decision was goal so why do they have to go through all that? If they don’t have the angles to say whether he’s on or off then on-field decision should stand, which was goal?I think the delay was because you could see he wasn’t offside but there was no clear image proving he was onside. You just couldn’t really see him in a mass of bodies.
VAR can go and feck itself anyway. Hateful fecking thing.
This only applies to subjective decisions. 99% of offsides are objective.
Still can’t believe there were posters in the match day thread who thought this was a shoulder charge.
Clearly goes in with an arm and a hip and makes zero attempt to play the ball, he’s not even looking at it.
A United defender does that and I’d think “you idiot”.
Never a penalty, 2 players got their bodies across and shield him off the ball. That's just good defending.
I’m not sure on the rashford one. Rashford was mid sprint and off balance and the defender shoved his elbow into his rib cage at full pelt, with no attempt to get the ball. Part of me thinks it’s a foul and part of me thinks it’s just part of a physical game
This is part of the issue unfortunately. If this was Liverpool or City tonight, their manager would have been extremely vocal post math on these bizarre and wrong referee decisions. Ten Hag will probably not mention it.
Think the Rashford one is one of those that could be given, but wouldn't often be. So not much of a surprise, or a story, that it wasn't given.
That said, pretty sure much more would be made of it in the media had it been our defenders doing that to one of their strikers. One of those were they, justifiably, gloss over it when it's us appealing for a soft pen for it. But suddenly becomes a much bigger penalty shout and talking point if it's at the other end.
This theme of “we won’t get hard done by if our manager causes a fuss” is pure conjecture. Show me the evidence that a managers words have any effect whatsoever in generating favorable outcomes from e refereeing decisionsIt’s been like this all season, we’ve seen the impact managers can have on referees. Remember when we stopped getting penalties for ages after Klopp complained we were getting too many. Unless Ten Hag starts putting serious pressure on the officials we will continue to be hard done by. Fergie was a master at getting into referees heads.
Klopp post Spurs game after Diaz was incorrectly given offside.This theme of “we won’t get hard done by if our manager causes a fuss” is pure conjecture. Show me the evidence that a managers words have any effect whatsoever in generating favorable outcomes from e refereeing decisions
I think there's definitely examples of managers mouthing off about us getting decisions that leads to us being screwed for the next few games. That does suggest referees can be influenced - consciously or subconsciously - by manager comments / media talk.This theme of “we won’t get hard done by if our manager causes a fuss” is pure conjecture. Show me the evidence that a managers words have any effect whatsoever in generating favorable outcomes from e refereeing decisions
This theme of “we won’t get hard done by if our manager causes a fuss” is pure conjecture. Show me the evidence that a managers words have any effect whatsoever in generating favorable outcomes from e refereeing decisions
This theme of “we won’t get hard done by if our manager causes a fuss” is pure conjecture. Show me the evidence that a managers words have any effect whatsoever in generating favorable outcomes from e refereeing decisions
Liverpool have also been on the receiving end of atrocious decisions. You can't look at one thing and not the other.Look at the amount of favourable decisions Liverpool have gotten this season. Every man and his dog knew that once that mistake was made against Liverpool in the Spurs game they would start to get one favourable decision after another and they have.
Look also when Klopp had a good cry about the amount of penalties we were getting, we only got about 1 in the 40 odd games that followed that. Not only are officials incompetent but they are also human and to suggest they can not be influenced by powerful managers is naive.
Still can’t believe there were posters in the match day thread who thought this was a shoulder charge
Liverpool have also been on the receiving end of atrocious decisions. You can't look at one thing and not the other.
You don't need to prove he's onside though, or at least you shouldn't. An image showing he isn't offside should be enoughI think the delay was because you could see he wasn’t offside but there was no clear image proving he was onside. You just couldn’t really see him in a mass of bodies.
VAR can go and feck itself anyway. Hateful fecking thing.
Klopp complains about our penalty numbers on ole season and we've hardly had one since.This theme of “we won’t get hard done by if our manager causes a fuss” is pure conjecture. Show me the evidence that a managers words have any effect whatsoever in generating favorable outcomes from e refereeing decisions
In Portuguese culture it’s a sign of affection and respect, which is why Casemiro also did it earlier in the season but the ref misinterpreted it thenSurely the Felipe/Bruno incident was just a bit of routine sex-play and therefore more affectionate than aggressive!
Still can’t believe there were posters in the match day thread who thought this was a shoulder charge.
Clearly goes in with an arm and a hip and makes zero attempt to play the ball, he’s not even looking at it.
A United defender does that and I’d think “you idiot”.