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"The proximity of the player whose hand or arm makes contact with the ball to where the ball was struck from will still be an important consideration for officials when making a decision to award handball or not."

This doesnt seem to have been taken in to consideration on City's penalty.
Or Liverpool's penalty against Bournemouth (Salah :lol:)
 

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I hate VAR. It has ruined more than it has fixed. We saw that again today. No one can be sure from the tv-clips that the german defender touched the ball with his arm. VAR and the ref can never give a penalty here. VAR is good in theory, but too often there are made mistakes because of it.
 

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"The proximity of the player whose hand or arm makes contact with the ball to where the ball was struck from will still be an important consideration for officials when making a decision to award handball or not."

This doesnt seem to have been taken in to consideration on City's penalty.
The laws are broken, it is fecking mad. The way it's written, it gives too much room for idiot refs to make crazy decisions.
 

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There have been some mad decisions this CL campaign.
How is it Ederson always gets bailed out by the refs? Was it last season where he had that feck up against Bellingham, who took the ball from Ederson 20 yards out and scored. But the ref whistled for a foul before the ball crossed the line. Turned out Bellingham won the ball fairly but the decision couldn't be overturned as the ref didn't wait for the goal.
 

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The ref at tonight's city match was the same Slovenian gangster who shafted United at home against Atletico Madrid last season. When I watched the full match on recording the following day, there were more than 20 bad calls against United and only one in favour.

Football is well and truly f*cked.
 

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Get rid of it. What’s the point of giving such technology to these morons no matter how good it could be? It’s exposed these incompetent fools even more and everyone is suffering because of it whilst they are still cool and dandy.
 

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The referee told to a Leipzig player after the match that he has not seen the handball either but VAR told him to give the penalty...
 

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The more I think about these questionable refereeing and VAR decisions I wonder if it's the laws themselves that are becoming untenable. I mean just go read some of the actual laws, specifically law 12 which concerns fouls and direct free kicks. With the way that law is written there could literally be a foul every one or two seconds of every premier league match, its crazy. I don't envy the referees at all, it's a thankless job they have interpreting those laws.
 

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Let's do this guys. We can have one for each country and an ultimate one for Europe. Could be real fun I reckon :D

We all know FA would do feck all about the recent scandalous performances of their refs. They'll back their refs to the death.

The refs atm hold basically no responsibility/accountability for their performances. Surely they'd be valued by the FA refs association but as showed in the recent refs buying scandal of Barca this practice could be very personal and dodgy.

So the idea is to create an independent award the Bidone d'Oro or the Golden Bin exclusively for refs. Voted by football journalists. As a way to make the refs a bit accountable for their performances.

Tbh it'd be fecking hilarious to listen to the commentator 'Here entering the pitch is Mr. Taylor, the ref today and also the current holder of the prestigious Golden Bin' :lol:
 

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The referee told to a Leipzig player after the match that he has not seen the handball either but VAR told him to give the penalty...
These feckers don't wanna take any responsibility probably because the system is set up in such a way that if the ref doesn't follow the VAR recommendations then he is somehow fecked (deducted points in terms of performance leading to missing out on bonuses).
What's the incentive for the ref to judge things fairly on his own and disagree with VAR ?
The second problem is that the VAR ref knows feck all about the intricacies of football and the spirit of the game.
Part of me still believes that the system would be very useful if the competence level was higher but if the basis is fecked up then VAR is useless. However if the competence levels of refereeing was good enough one would argue there wouldn't be a need for VAR
 

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Just saw the highlights, look at the penalty City got and yet our own fans are arguing whether we should have had that hand ball penalty at the weekend.
 

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Did not watch the game last night but just watched the BT 9 minute highlights on YT.

The fact they did not even show the Ederson incident is alarming in itself.

Add that scandalous penalty decision and you see why us United fans are aggrieved.

DeGea does that challenge and its a possible red card and the media would agree.

Would we get that penalty decision ? ... I think not.
 

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Did not watch the game last night but just watched the BT 9 minute highlights on YT.

The fact they did not even show the Ederson incident is alarming in itself.

Add that scandalous penalty decision and you see why us United fans are aggrieved.

DeGea does that challenge and its a possible red card and the media would agree.

Would we get that penalty decision ? ... I think not.
He's a terrible referee, should not be in charge of CL games.

It wasn't a pen, Haaland could have been pulled back for the foul on the keeper in the build up to the goal and Ederson might have seen red. Instead he booked the RB player. It was laughable to say the least.

After that first half, you can see why the RB players just gave up. They just weren't getting anything last night.

But because Haaland scored 5, the referees performance will be forgotten about.
 

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Watching Madrid -Pool game now. The ball hits the leg then the hand. No pen. How is that different to Martinez pen?!
The difference is that his arm was away from his body in what could be described as an unnatural position whereas Martinez’s arm was tucked into his body.
 

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Just seen highlights of the Southampton vs Brentford game, Lavia tackle where he goes over the top of the ball studs up into Norgaard and surprise surprise VAR says no red card
 

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Watching Madrid -Pool game now. The ball hits the leg then the hand. No pen. How is that different to Martinez pen?!
This isn't actually a rule any more btw. It can hit your body first then onto your arm and still be a penalty if the arm is in an 'unnatural position'. In this case, Tsimikas' arm was clearly in a natural position so the ref got it spot on. I was shocked VAR even told him to have a look at it.
 

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How is that not a red card or gone to VAR?!

That was much worse than Casemiro's challenge. Holy feck. And that's the inconsistency we're all talking about. Casemiro wins the ball and goes over the top, but his leg is not extended. This challenge is more reckless and worthy of a straight red.
 

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The difference is that his arm was away from his body in what could be described as an unnatural position whereas Martinez’s arm was tucked into his body.
:lol:

I like your style.
 

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Decided to click on the Southampton/ Brentford highlights for a giggle just. So Lavia stays on but Casemiro gets freeze framed.

VARce.
 

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I really wish we decided to appeal and use levias tackle as evidence
 

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Good on Thomas Frank for mentioning Casemiro.
 

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I really wish we decided to appeal and use levias tackle as evidence
Appealing with video evidence of a tackle that hadn’t happened was always going to be tough

I would have appealed it. Not on the basis that it definitely wasn’t a red card, because that is very hard to argue as clearly a red card is reasonable for that challenge. As would a yellow be.

What I would have based the appeal on is the failure to correctly follow procedure.

Firstly, when deciding whether we follow through with the appeal I would have requested to hear the communications between Taylor and Marriner. Which should answer some questions:
  1. What did Taylor give the yellow card for?
  2. If Taylor have the yellow card for Casemiro’s reckless challenge and was aware that he caught his opponents leg. The matter was dealt with appropriately.
  3. Did he communicate to Marriner that he had given the yellow for the above?
  4. If he did, why is Marriner taking it upon himself to intervene? The Premier League website states this: “If the evidence provided to the VAR by the broadcast footage does not accord with what the referee believes he has seen, then the VAR can recommend an overturn.” source
So point 4 is key. If Taylor communicated to Marriner that he saw the incident and saw the contact and that’s why he gave a yellow then Marriner has broken protocol in escalating it.

If Taylor didn’t give the yellow because of the contact, what the feck was he giving the yellow card for?
 

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For a start. He stayed on his feet and wasn't lunging for the ball.
He's literally lunging and ends up on the floor?

And anyway that's irrelevant - the rules aren't based on where you end up. It's on where the studs land and this is on the Brentford player's shins.
 

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It's force and recklessness they consider. Force is the key one though as somebody could get caught high up the shin, but if there's no force then it doesn't endanger anyone and it's not a red card. Part of the problem with the way VAR is deployed is the use of slow-motion and freeze frames which make it impossible to assess the force.