You’re saying it’s an accepted part of the game that defenders can just put two hands around a players waist and hold them back without challenging for the ball?
VAR and Refs | General Discussion | Forest go into meltdown
- Thread starter Samid
- Start date
Yeah for me, even it's a foul outside the box, I wouldn't give it as a pen still. You're free to disagree, I don't gotta convince you
Show me the difference of that foul on Richarlison and what happened to Garanacho in the box??
Eriksen against Richarlison is a free-kick but Udogie against Garnacho isn't a penalty.....this is always crazy 
Exactly
The difference is there was less contact on Richarlison. Just a joke now
The one on Garnacho was worse.
So defenders in your opinion are free to use their hands to hold a player back, without making any attempt at challenging for the ball? That’s just fine as long as it’s in the box.
Difference is the amount of actual holding of force is miniscule by Erikson in comparison
Well he was on his feet and ref wasn’t giving the foul…so why do you think players flop
Pens are given weekly when players are “shot by a sniper” when someone brushes their toenail
Gibbs-White was even worse. And then he stayed on and scored the winner
Was a genuine question.
There is a degree of freedom they've always been given inside the box because the threshold for a pen is more often higher than a simple foul in the middle of the park. It's the reality of football.
So explain Rodri pen then…this is the problem…they have replay to see similar events and they produce completely different outcomes.
You can always explain an individual incident, however when you then compare that to others the argument goes out the window. Ie. See Gallagher when he was recently asked to compare two incidents…he stumbled and then just restated why he thought the one was a pen…would not state the reason one was given, one wasn’t.
Rodri pen was never a pen for me, joke of a decision
Forgot about that one. The catalogue of officiating decisions which have affected results this year is really adding up. Spurs handball in first game. Arsenal no red card for Saka on Bruno, no penalty on Hojlund, Garnacho wrongly given offside. Liverpool Dalot red card. Spurs non-penalty today and Bentancur not sent off. Nottingham Forest with Gibbs-White not sent off. Sure there are many more. There's a clear agenda.
Great, but it was given after VAR…so they have to call it the same throughout the season…hence the problem…can’t pick and chose whom you are going to call a penalty for and whom your not
He always talk down on us, so if he thinks its a pen it must be.
That's why all I've ever mentioned is how I view things. Expecting consistency from refs is like hoping for snow where I live, maybe in a million years time
Helps when the people who own Manchester City are bribing EPL officials with half their yearly salary to referee 5-a-side games on all expenses paid trips.
Nothing to see here though
I can’t think of many times I’ve actually seen that happen on a football pitch. Never mind in the box…he literally restrained him which is brainless for a defender in the box. Not sure what he was thinking.
Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
You can literally his pull on him isn’t superficial it drags him back. It’s exactly what VAR should be picking up.
He literally yanks Garnacho back as he tries to get away.
On the line is in the box no? And Neville can fekk off again with his ‘not a foul for me’
This is the problem. The ref was not well placed to judge the foul on Garnacho and he appeared to wave it away as nothing - hence VAR would not touch it. If VAR is being used as a retrospective check then all refs should not be giving an indication of their initial opinion of any possible foul in the box.
Yeah, not like I don't have access to replays
This is not how VAR works.
Honestly can’t understand how you can watch that and say it’s not a foul.Yeah, not like I don't have access to replays
Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
How was this not a pen? Tarkowski nearly takes his leg off.
Neville is a lackey
I wondered this, wasn’t Rashford right foot on the box?
Insufferable in places again.
How many times did he need to say he thought Totty were the better team. We get it Nev.
Textbook pen on Garnarcho. Udogie has both arms around him and drags him back. Was it even checked by VAR?
Which is the problem. Every decision is assumed to be correct unless a penalty that is given is an obvious howler which they then reluctantly overturn. The ref should be referring all possible penalties to VAR, especially when they're not at the correct angle to judge and well away from it. Alternatively team captains should be allowed up to a certain number of referrals.
The alternative is no VAR for subjective decisions and just stick with goalline technology.
Should throw himself to the ground after the first contact, same as the penalty for Sterling yesterday.
I don't understand how Garnacho's wasn't given a penalty. Had he gone down on the initial grab I'd understand why it wasn't given. But he clearly tried to go and couldn't. He went down on his second try to run for the ball. Thankfully we scored shortly after, but this was yet again another call we that we deserved and didn't get...
120% penalty but VAR didn't intervene at all.
If it was LiVARpoo Klopp would have screamed to kingdom come and the media would be going wild !!
The problem is that EtH and our club never criticise these actions
Absolutely. I don't get why we don't do the same. Apply pressure to the refs. What's the worst thing that can happen? They're already screwing us over.