In a small part, yes. But the larger point is that if Pogba is waiting around for the outcome of a potential VAR intervention then you can bet that that's how the fans at the ground are experiencing it as well.
VAR - Not the hero we want, the one we need
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What facts? The facts are that no one knew whether the ball crossed the line or not and that it was only determined with a couple of seconds delay, by goal line technology, not by VAR.
I couldn't care less if VAR ruins the flow for 1 minute of every game if it stops some of the horrendous refereeing errors we regularly see. And that's all it is, 1 or 2 minutes max in a game.
VAR is great.
Yet I still saw fans celebrating like lunatics.
The potential for a goal to be overturned doesn't rob the game of any drama, at worst it just changes the rythym of it. Something fans will get used to. The actual drama comes from the effect a goal has, which doesn't change.
Ah, I see - the problem is that you didn't read my post and are arguing with something I didn't say. The goal was indeed awarded almost immediately using the very effective wristband system, but after that Pogba was watching the big screen waiting to see if the goal would be cancelled out for some other reason involving VAR.
Phil Neville doesn't like VAR.
So we can all be satisfied that it's a good thing.
So we can all be satisfied that it's a good thing.
Hmm, can't agree with that - the drama derives from the way that events unfold, not just from the final decision that is taken.
Agreed, when we were all discussing this in the past, I always imagined the guys in the box would be telling the referee on the pitch their decision. By the time the ref even makes it to the screen, those guys will have seen every angle at least once.
The penalty Griezmann won via VAR was correct. I'd certainly want it given if a Socceroos player went down in that situation.
So cancel VAR because Pogba looked up?
How can you watch today’s game and say you don’t like it? It’s ensured the result was correct and justice has been done.
You are aware of the concept of an example?
Phil Neville thinks the penalty was 100% wrong.
So it was 100% right by common sense.
I thought the decision was correct. Close call, but correct for me.
Vive la VAR!
Lol, he is having a mare. He back peddled a bit.
Imagine Pogba scoring a goal, doing his dab dance shit, brazilions of young Frenchmen doing their dab dance around the world, tears of joy and excitement, all of that just to be overruled seconds later by disgusting 'technology'. Tears of joy turn into tears of despair and suffering, collective 'fils de pute' heard from council houses all around Manchester, somewhere in Saint-Denis Jean Pierre breaks his baguette in half, cursing the world, promising his ancestors never to watch what once has been a beautiful escape from tormenting visions of Vichy again.
Not sure how anybody can say VAR's a good thing, you guys are worse than Hitler.
Not sure how anybody can say VAR's a good thing, you guys are worse than Hitler.
Say what you will, that was another very weak pen. Griezmann had hade up his mind to fall just like Ronaldo.
The referee knows the rule book inside out. They're probably having regular meet-ups in the preparation for the World Cup where rules, decisions and hypothetical situations are dissected. He gets the benefit of watching replays from multiple angles, and sees a clear foul (I didn't think it was a penalty at first, but the replays clearly showed why the ref gave it). And yet, some people still argue that a horrible decision has been made, mostly based on old-school misconceptions about 'getting a touch' on the ball first.
How's Phil watching those replays and saying it's not a foul?
Has he hit his head?
Has he hit his head?
VAR hasn't screwed United over yet so, as it stands, I'm fine with it.
Anyone arguing is basically arguing in favor of incorrect decisions in favor of more drama. The right decision was made, it didnt take long, maybe 30 seconds to a minute when the ball went out for a throw in. What the feck do people want? Teams knocked out because of incorrect decisions? Feck that
An example of what? Players who aren't used to this version of VAR who score a goal where they aren't even sure whether the ball crossed a line (probably) looking at the Video screen?
It was a penalty though
VAR did well today. It was used quickly and the right decision was made each time.
I thought that was a penalty. For my money the Costa foul on Pepe is still the most controversial decision VAR has made so far.
I think a large part of the problem with VAR is that a lot of fans and pundits aren't actually all that clear on the rules of the game. If you think back to the Mata offside goal, a lot of people didn't know what constitutes an offside. With the penalty shouts today and yesterday, there seems to be confusion as to when something is a penalty or not.
They could do with issuing an explanation for decisions to help clarify things.
Ronaldo's penalty yesterday was clear cut.
I think a large part of the problem with VAR is that a lot of fans and pundits aren't actually all that clear on the rules of the game. If you think back to the Mata offside goal, a lot of people didn't know what constitutes an offside. With the penalty shouts today and yesterday, there seems to be confusion as to when something is a penalty or not.
They could do with issuing an explanation for decisions to help clarify things.
A weak penalty is a penalty.
Ronaldo's penalty yesterday was clear cut.
Ronaldo's was a blatant pen. Griezmanns was a blatant pen. How anyone can say otherwise is mind boggling. If it wasnt called itd be an outrage. He slid into the back of griezmanns leg and tripped him, its stonewall. Ronaldo's yesterday, he dribbled past, nacho stuck a leg out and tripped him. Again, stonewall, the only controversy is people refusing to admit just because they're resisting change and the introduction of VAR.
No, an example of the goal being awarded by existing goal line technology, then - even for an uncontroversial goal - waiting and watching the big screen just to check that there is no cause to review it for other reasons. The opposite of what you're saying really, since my issue is that the more players do get used to the system, the more they are aware that the referee's decision is now totally provisional.
You dont see what the ref sees, so how do you know what angles he seen?
Has anyone got a vid of the incident? Not seen it. @GifLord?
Don't like that. If you were to look at the clip in isolation, I'd probably say it was a pen. But I don't think it was "clear and obvious".
Still not sure how Costa's first yesterday was allowed, that one seemed much more obvious than this.
Still not sure how Costa's first yesterday was allowed, that one seemed much more obvious than this.
I never once spoke out against VAR
I'm against awarding bullshit pens for star players out of favoritism.
It doesnt say "clear and obvious" in Fifas rules apparently. Its supposedly made up by pundits
But they're both absolutely correct penalties? If they happened to some random from Saudi Arabia, it'd still be blatant.I never once spoke out against VAR
I'm against awarding bullshit pens for star players out of favoritism.
The foul on Pepe?
Agree. If we're criticising VAR for something then that's the incident I'd look to. Whether this penalty was "clear and obvious" or not, the end result was at least correct imo.
It's stuff you can give but don't have to. Not any sort of contact requires a penalty.
He did. Take another look. Gets across, and brushes the ball on to Griezmann's foot.