Feck the passion.
Can only be a positive.
Can only be a positive.
VAR - Not the hero we want, the one we need
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Players learn not to stop. Simple.
They should never stop playing anyway, all that raising hands instead of running back chasing is just dumb on so many levels. Like them raising hands can do some jedi trick on linos.
You need your own VAR system
Anyway this shows it can really help. Only took around 30 seconds to uphold a perfectly good goal that would otherwise not have stood. Surely this has to be a good thing.
Hope it is fully adopted in the PL soon.
Of course its a good thing, only the anoraks think otherwise and their arguments usually involve gross exaggeration of its involvement and flaws.
The idea that players won't be able to celebrate until every goal is reviewed is the most hillarious one for me.
DO they just check for the offside or they check for any other previous incidents.
For example, what if the attack was started by a Leicester city player fouling an opponent which was missed by the ref?.
For example, what if the attack was started by a Leicester city player fouling an opponent which was missed by the ref?.
Justified its future in a single moment there. How many offsides or similar simple wrong decisions have cost teams points over the years.
When it rules out a goal where someone's picked up the ball, wiped his arse with it and thrown it into the back of the net and lifted just shirt to reveal a vest with the words 'Handball FTW', which is something that the referee Mike Dean misses in real time - then it'll look great.
"Justified in a single moment" - some will say.
Real test will be long-term when we start to notice the number of goals scored overall reduce fairly dramatically because:
"Oh look, his toe was a millimetere offside"
"Hmm, that shoulder-to-shoulder challenge earlier, looks kind of like a barge watching it back"
"The referee didn't see that but just before his team mate headed that in from a corner you could make a reasonable case that he was blocking off the defender"
And many other incidents in the lead up to goals that can be reviewed. That's really the real test of it because that's what it's going to be used for more often than not. Marginal offside goals and goals where there are question marks over something in the lead up to them are scored most weeks. People think the purpose of those is to avoid those Thierry Henry vs Ireland incidents, but they've always been few and far between and always will. Where this'll really come into its own and ultimately judged is when people noticed how many goals that otherwise would have been allowed to stand, are ruled out perhaps because of a technicality.
"Justified in a single moment" - some will say.
Real test will be long-term when we start to notice the number of goals scored overall reduce fairly dramatically because:
"Oh look, his toe was a millimetere offside"
"Hmm, that shoulder-to-shoulder challenge earlier, looks kind of like a barge watching it back"
"The referee didn't see that but just before his team mate headed that in from a corner you could make a reasonable case that he was blocking off the defender"
And many other incidents in the lead up to goals that can be reviewed. That's really the real test of it because that's what it's going to be used for more often than not. Marginal offside goals and goals where there are question marks over something in the lead up to them are scored most weeks. People think the purpose of those is to avoid those Thierry Henry vs Ireland incidents, but they've always been few and far between and always will. Where this'll really come into its own and ultimately judged is when people noticed how many goals that otherwise would have been allowed to stand, are ruled out perhaps because of a technicality.
To all the people moaning about VAR. It's still being trialled, of course its not going to be seamless. On the whole, when the issues iron themselves out, it will be a great addition.
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They need a challenge system.
Common sense though to a) introduce a time limit for making a decision and b) introduce it on screen so fans can watch (makes it more exciting) c) limited amount of challenges. They've introduced it in the worst possible way at the moment, almost as if they're intent on it failing.
I don't like it. I'm all for the goal-line technology, but the stoppages for offsides and other decisions (why is it only penalty box decisions which get looked at and not contentious calls in the middle of the field, for example) are annoying and take away from the game, for me.
They need to find a better way of applying it. Takes long time and misses many minutes. At least time should stop when ref needs to check it like what happens in NBA.
Say goodbye to the flow of the sport.
This game has been made more interesting by the use of VAR. None of the flow has been lost, its still a very fast paced game. Why do people keep spouting the same talking points over and over again?
Third ref. He should make the calls using video and that would not disrupt the flow like this.
It's still (or something similar) needed. At present it's not very well streamlined. Maybe needs more tools involved to make decisions faster.
It will change the game a fair bit in terms of tackling and defending.
Have to say, I'm baffled how the clock isn't stopped with the addition of VAR. There shouldn't be any ambiguity about the time lost during these moments.
It will change the game a fair bit in terms of tackling and defending.
Have to say, I'm baffled how the clock isn't stopped with the addition of VAR. There shouldn't be any ambiguity about the time lost during these moments.
Just waiting for them to introduce commercial breaks when the referee are looking at the screen.
I like that more, two challenges per team, per game, and that's it, might not work still, but this current idea is going to kill the flow of the game, especially as refs will feel pressured to apply it at every half call.
Not really. It's not like it happen 2-5 times in a game, normally it's used one time in a game. Liverpool-West Brom was a completely crazy half so far.
But it only should be used for CLEAR mistakes. The Salah thing would never be reviewed in Germany.
It needs to be more like (how I understand) it works in American football. The ref on the pitch makes the square to signal he's using VAR, then he gets told what the decision is, which he immediately announces to the crowd.
No fannying about with going to look at a monitor, no discussing things with the VAR guys, if the ref uses VAR, they just tell him what the call is.
No fannying about with going to look at a monitor, no discussing things with the VAR guys, if the ref uses VAR, they just tell him what the call is.
Just have it for offsides and off the ball incidents.
Two decisions a ref would either have bottled or fecked up, delaying a minute for that is well worth it. Two good calls (otherwise West brom would probably be home and dry). tonight is looking like a victory for VAR despite how slow the refs are with it.
Two correct decisions tonight. If they smooth out the process and make it easier for people to know what's going on its going to be great.
Agreed.
The idea that the ref has to go watch it back himself is a bit daft. If the person in the trailer can't decide - fine, no decision and move on.
One of the best things about football are the controversial decisions. It helps fill the back pages up and keeps everyone busy Monday morning in the office. The hilarious thing this game as shown is even with VAR its still controversial. Most people didn’t even think it was a penalty after watching the replay, yet the Ref gave a pen.
We are only in this position because fans and pundits are constantly second guessing the officials. For the most part they do an amazing job and get 99% of the decisions spot on. They even spot things the whiny armchair fans miss on a regular basis.
The quicker this VAR experiment is canned the better.
We are only in this position because fans and pundits are constantly second guessing the officials. For the most part they do an amazing job and get 99% of the decisions spot on. They even spot things the whiny armchair fans miss on a regular basis.
The quicker this VAR experiment is canned the better.
Yeah, a challenge system where the ref can approve/dismiss the challenge. Otherwise coaches will use it to upset the flow of a game or to time waste by the end of games which would be a disaster.
One benefit to VAR, the fans get to celebrates goals twice!
All the decisions were correct but again, it's not the problem, the problem is the loads of minutes missed till taking the decision.
Far too slow.
Doesn’t need to take that long but easy to forget VAR is still just a trial, I’m sure the refs will get quicker and better at using it. Very much still a work in progress. At least they got all three decisions correct.
I think it's great. With time it will be more smooth.
Load of nonsense that and thankfully most people don’t agree with that.
Yep that's the biggest problem for me. The replays either take too long to come up or are inadequate.
You can see from the first replay WBA's third is onside, it shouldn't be taking over two minutes to confirm the goal.
Not just yourself but to the few complaining. United are 2-1 up against City in FA Cup final. Sterling runs into the box, goes down in the 90th minute. Ref from his position see's a pen but is unsure...Does he a, give City the pen or b, use VAR.
I guarantee every single person complaining about the length of time a decision takes would be like "We need correct decisions not fast ones" in said situation especially if its a clear dive. Removing game ruining decisions is more important than losing a few seconds or even a minute or so from a match.
I feel for the scorer.
You have just scored a dodgy goal, instead of celebrating you wait for the review outcome
People are only annoyed tonight because VAR is playing for Liverpool.
(And they’re still losing! Ha)
(And they’re still losing! Ha)
Yeah you are right.
Ridiculously slow, frustrating and doesn’t help that hardly anyone knows what’s going on when VAR is being used.
But you have to say VAR has got the decisions correct tonight so that’s not the issue, it will get better in time.
But you have to say VAR has got the decisions correct tonight so that’s not the issue, it will get better in time.
Could they not give the ref another watch with ability to look at replays on them when VAR is called, would stop him having to run off the pitch all the time.
If it's that crucial in the last minute of the game no one would have complained, but penalty or a goal in the first 30 minutes of the game, it's a joke to take all this time to review it and give the decision, while missing loads of minutes. This is applicable in NBA because the time stops every moment, but not in football.
During the game any decision like this should be taken immediately by someone who watches the video and informs the ref about the decision. Let the crucial moments at the last end of the game have this need of ref going himself to watch it, but during the game simple decisions should be taken immediately, otherwise get used to watching at least 8 minuted of added time every half.