I far prefer the sport having those moments of controversy even though it's equally likely to enrage me as it is to make me laugh. I'm aware that my enjoyment of chaos (in life in general really) probably leaves me in a small minority though and I completely understand the POV of people who don't share my opinion on this.
VAR - Not the hero we want, the one we need
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Goal line technology took forever to get implemented but now it has there are no more blown calls where it’s used, right?
It's a different beast. There is no debate. There is no delay. I really don't see what the two has to do with each other. Can't use goal line technology to justify a reality where every time a goal is scored we spend 2 minutes trying to find reasons to rule it out simply because both fall under the vague umbrella term 'technoloy'. Else we've got Robot Sweepers as a concept and anyone who thinks that's batshit, the fact we now know instantly whether a goal has been scored or not half-way justifies its existence. It doesn't.
When it was first introduced we had BBC commentators fighting with it like morons.
"Which decision are we supposed to believe?!"
Keep calm and move forward. The eejits in the pub can keep grumbling.
That’s way back then when they didn’t have the technology and there wasn’t a discussion for video replay. Now there is.
VAR particularly may be but the idea of challenging/reviewing isn’t. Like I said I don’t know how VAR operates.
1) Think of it as a player getting treated, literally no different than that. A stoppage is a stoppage is a stoppage so by saying that, you’re insisting there be no stoppages whatsoever as they all “kill the flow of the game”.
2) Maybe in VAR but not in a system where a team gets 1 challenge to work with and not an unlimited amount.
3) Maybe in VAR but should be replay, no? If they review offsides I’m pretty sure they rely on replay which is just pure facts.
...latter doesn’t make any logical sense and pretty naive to say because something is popular decides whether or not you should do something. Using you’re same logic in reverse, if rugby or tennis or other sports that use VAR get rid of it does that mean they automatically becomes as popular as football? No, as there’s no correlation between the 2
It has to go, it just kills the enjoyment of a goal. People talk about teething problems but I just don't see a conceivable way round the issue that it takes too much time. I think maybe for a sending off, or penalty where there's an inevitable delay anyway it could be kept, but for goals, no. It kills the atmosphere. We hear how well Rugby has it implemented and it still takes them bloody ages.
Neanderthals I tell ya
...no different than if you were wrongly accused of something, weren’t given due process, and unjustly sentenced...it’s horrible but you’ll just take the human error right?...
Many were against goal line technology because they were afraid it was the thin end of the wedge that would end with shite VAR.
Whilst goal line technology is fine in isolation they were right on both counts nonetheless. VAR came and it's shite.
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that Salah penalty is a joke - his knees are giving way almost before he is touched
lousy overturn for me, sorry
lousy overturn for me, sorry
Neanderthals I tell ya
...no different than if you were wrongly accused of something, weren’t given due process, and unjustly sentenced...it’s horrible but you’ll just take the human error right?...
Whatever else, we've managed to stretch the term "no different" to absolutely fecking breaking point.
Erm... yeah because that's the same. Christ!Neanderthals I tell ya
...no different than if you were wrongly accused of something, weren’t given due process, and unjustly sentenced...it’s horrible but you’ll just take the human error right?...
Just taking a page out of your book and making mountains out of molehills that’s all
Wrongly accused
> wrongly accused of an offside goal
Not given due process
> not given the ability to review the play
Unjustly sentenced
> unjustly given the result
Yeah, I thought it was soft. But I didn't think it was for incidents that the referee saw and took a reasonable view on at the time. There's no hidden handball, no hidden shirt pull, no hidden two-footed tackle that a fat-arsed team mate blocked from the referees view. I don't get why that was even referred, doesn't seem to be within the remit at all. And that's one of the problems, no matter how you set the remit referees will use it to make their life easier. And if they can find ways of potentially absolving themselves from responsibility of a decision, they will. Unlucky for this ref that he had to go over to watch footage, presumably because the word back from the VAR wasn't conclusive.
Yeah it was obvious he threw himself back and on to the ground. If it takes them 4 minutes to look at that and still come to the conclusion it's a penalty then the issue isn't VAR, it's dumbass refs who aren't fit for purpose.
right, for me, you're gonna have to do
every goal - the preceding passage of play, allowance for time / distance of events
every penalty
possibly red cards as well - you'll have to wear the yellows, including 2nd yellows
you need to do ALL of ALL these or it becomes unfair again
I'm not sure, overall.
every goal - the preceding passage of play, allowance for time / distance of events
every penalty
possibly red cards as well - you'll have to wear the yellows, including 2nd yellows
you need to do ALL of ALL these or it becomes unfair again
I'm not sure, overall.
I'm struggling to tell if you're being serious or just having a laugh??Just taking a page out of your book and making mountains out of molehills that’s all
Wrongly accused
> wrongly accused of an offside goal
Not given due process
> not given the ability to review the play
Unjustly sentenced
> unjustly given the result
Even liverpool fans who benefitted from VAR twice against WBA admit it kills the sports. Why won't you americans just go back to watching baseball, stop polluting my sport with all these players stats and VAR crap.
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A hyperbole (bit of Osc’s medicine) but you get what I’m trying to get across
I agree with both of you - if he thinks that IS a penalty, the VAR isn't going to help. So it isn't the VAR itself there.
It isn't but if a video review system exists referees will always look for outs and always use it. Not to say that a video review system can't or shouldn't exist for this reason but ultimately if the decision is down to the referee who isn't going to take that out?
Yep in that case it’s purely how one ref views it and it’s not factual as it’ll vary ref to ref AKA person to person. At the very least it gives the official a second look to make what he feels is the best decision with absolute certainty.
Idk wtfeck VAR is and nobody has cared to explain it. It may be a broken system idk. All I know is I am for *certain* reviews and at a limit of 1 per team. Not unlimited nitpicking shit where you can check out whatever you like whenever you like.
Edit - nice to know Vancouver is in the USA! haha
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aye, I'm inclined to agree again - the ''I don't know, I'll leave it to the TV to sort out'' approach,
oh no, I don't like that - everyone will be on about all the stuff that's missed then - a bit like it is now without the thing & just the refs guessing like they do,
I don't get how a commentator not being aware of how goal line technology works is relevant to anything. A future where goals are reviewed routinely to find fault is worth it because a commentator didn't understand something else that isn't it once?
I think his point is that the initial hysteria which this is facing, will die down - just like with goal line technology in that case.
There was no hysteria with goal line technology, just a tit who didn't understand what it was. Any doubts that anyone had before were completely dispelled the moment it was introduced, the complete opposite to this where people have seen it in action and have questions and concerns based on that but are being told to shut up because of something completely irrelevant Jonathan Pearce said about something else.
You can't invent hysteria about something and then say concerns that have arisen about something else are dispelled by pointing to the very same hysteria you just invented.
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The two have nothing to do with each other
2 half hearted celebrations < 1 real celebration
Absolute sham. Totally against it now. That wasn’t even a penalty on Salah. Doesn’t matter how many replays there are the refs are still incompetent.
I can't wait for it to be fully implemented and the flooding of all the salty tears.
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To those against VAR, it's easy for you to say when it's not happening to you. Imagine millions of pounds depend on a call, your job, your life depends on it (because if you lose, you get sacked, you wife leaves you, you become an alcoholic,...), would you be able to say "Nah, I'd rather die than having this VAR shit."
Of course VAR has its issues but I think it's worth using it right now to get those important calls right. And the more they use it, the more they will improve it. Give it time.
Of course VAR has its issues but I think it's worth using it right now to get those important calls right. And the more they use it, the more they will improve it. Give it time.
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Just watching Match of the Day and Danny Murphy has just said VAR helped WBA win at Anfield. In a game where Liverpool were given a penalty and WBA had a goal ruled out by the video ref. Heard it all now.
Been seeing it implemented all season long in Italy. Already said it, the idea is good, limiting human error is good, but its current implementation is an abomination.
After today's Liverpool game, I firmly believe it will be the death of the premier league. Wtf are the pundits going to talk about?
How to improve implementation though? You can't cherry pick when to use, since players through generation always challenge refs' decisions. You can't limit how long the VAR process is.
Worst thing I ever seen. Get rid.
We can replace the pundits with commercial breaks and have commercial breaks whilst VAR is constantly reviewing every little bit of play. Welcome to American sports
Said it all along, take the faults of the game out of the game and it'll kill the emotion. The game needs controversy!
Set a limit for VAR calls. Each team gets 1 each half. If you use it and the ref was right, then you cant call for VAR until the second half. If you call it right, then you can keep going.
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