Red all day long. Sly git has a little look first and then swings the leg round.
Vardy's challenge on Mustafi, deserved Red?
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Is it just me, or has retrospective bans decreased dramatically since the introduction of VAR?
This in the past would definitely get looked at!
This in the past would definitely get looked at!
It’s clearly deliberate, don’t even know how that’s up for debate. There’s no reason for him to kick his leg out in that way, it’s not a natural movement.
His foot has no business swinging up high there. When you fall down, you don't lift you feet in the air to do it.
Sorry but that's a red.
Besides just because it can be accidental, doesn't mean it can't be a red.
Looks deliberate to me and it's Vardy, so no benefit of the doubt.
I’m sorry that’s utter rubbish. You can’t give a red for that.
Vardy May be trying to kick him in the face, if he’s that much of a Cnut. (Possible for him)
But no way can you give a red . You can’t prove that was deliberate as he’s not going in for a tackle, it’s while he’s falling down.
You can’t second guess his motives for an accidental collision & give a red. That’s ridiculous
This should be investigated by the FA and ban Vardy afterwards. Any announcement by the FA if they will have a look?
Yeah I'm inclined to think it was probably frustration. A heat of the moment thing.
Still a red though as it's so bloody dangerous.
Based on that logic, Nketiah shouldn't have been sent off as his wasn't delierate
Clear red on replays in my opinion.
No wrong again. Nketiah deserved to get sent off as he’s deliberately going in for a challenge.
Going in for a challenge & falling over are 2 very different things
You can see him look at the guy then kick him in the head. There was absolutely no reason for him to kick out like that. It’s like punching someone in the face then claiming it was accidental because “my fist was going that way anyway”.
They definitely have. I don’t know if the protocol has changed but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s just the FA protecting the reputation of the VAR guys who they don’t want to appear to be missing things. Obviously as well as cards being picked up by VAR.
How can falling down be dangerous play. The only way that you can say he deserved a red card is if you think he had time to withdraw his leg and left it out there intentionally. The problem with that was because of the chaotic manner of 2 people falling he could have had the other player falling on his leg and breaking it.
I think it's intentional, it's not like Vardy is some known saint.
Retrospective bans only happened when the ref said that he didn't see the incident with the inception of VAR a ref sees everything that the camera catches.
I think that's a totally unnatural way to fall over... When do you see people fall over and fling their leg out that high and aggressively?
That's what I thought too.. plus the clear follow through.
I can see your point; if we start policing falling down we could end up with some ridiculous decisions. However what you're essentially saying is that if you're falling you can do whatever you like with your legs and it will be passed off as accidental and no action will be taken. Why is Vardy wheeling his leg around? If it's a bit of frustration, if it's to try to get the ref's attention so his team are more likely to get a freekick he's acted in a way that has resulted in a nasty injury to an opponent, which is textbook reckless conduct.
Thats not a natural fall 
Did it on purpose. No doubt about it.
If it was a lesser known player that did it he would have been sent straight off.
If it was a lesser known player that did it he would have been sent straight off.
Looks accidental to me and, if it’s accidental, it’s clearly not a red as he isn’t being reckless by falling over.
I think he’s meant to kick him Out of frustration but not straight in his face which has lead to his apolegetic reaction straight after.
I definitely think it's that too.
The amount of things VAR misses is crazy.
Can't understand how the PL has to be the worst in implementating all these things.
Last to bring VAR in, worst in use and refereeing in general.
Honestly don't know where to from here. You'd think a newer crop of refs would help but they learning their trade with the old guard and picking up the same crap.
Do I think it could be deliberate? Possibly.
Can you give a red- absolutely not.
As like you say you’ll be policing every player who falls down and accidentally makes contact with another player. It just can’t be proven it’s what he’s intending & it’s not reckless like Nkiteah as it’s not a challenge. He’s just falling over
Can we get a clip in real time? It doesn't look good in the OP but slowing things down always makes it look far worse than what it really is.
First instinct is that it was a deliberate kick out though.
First instinct is that it was a deliberate kick out though.
If you're swinging a boot, whether you're falling or not, that could be considered reckless. Where we certainly don't want to get to is two players tussle for the ball, one falls on top of another and he's treated like he's done an intentional body slam. But even in the motion of falling you can do additional reckless things with your limbs, and in this case Vardy has done that for me.
We do that already mate and should continue to do that. We try to judge if contact is intentional or not and if it the movement is unnatural it's deemed intentional and cards are brandished.
A player falling over is not carte blanche to kick and punch people. And most footballers are trying to disguise intentional lash outs as accidental while falling over. It's nothing new
It's a clear red. That movement was clearly intentional.
Spinning heel kick while falling, Joe Rogan would be proud of that one.
Yes so clear that the ref & VAR gave nothing
They missed it.
No we do that already with challenges .
Not with people falling over.
I can’t even believe there’s a debate that a red should be given for accidentally contacting someone while falling over.
Right well it wasn’t as clear as you’re making out then is it.
I really don't understand this logic. The only reason this is being talked about is because it is reckless - whether it's challenge or not is a weird and arbitary distinction to make. Does that mean it's impossible to be reckless if two players are falling over?
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You can see from this replay that there's absolutely no reason for him to swing his foot round that high. It's already planted and he decides to swing it deliberately.
If you’re falling over you are not intending to do a challenge or anything. You’re simply falling over so it can’t be reckless as you’re not intending to do anything.
With other reckless challenges people are going in for tackles but miss timed, high etc.
Surely you can see the difference?
Intention is relevant if the head is at foot level and the player is falling over.
10 points Reduction for Leicester.
Failing of VAR doesn’t prove anything. I’m absolute my certain he’d have been sent off for this had they looked at it.