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Venezuela – socialist paradise on the verge of collapse
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I wish these people could hear themselves.
No and no.
The only way for Venezuela to get better is to get rid of Maduro and to reverse the politics of the last 18 years.
You're aware that much of the crisis has been caused by US sanctions, that were designed explicitly to do this right?
Which sanctions are these then?
It's started around 5 years ago when Saudi Arabia (along USA) dropped the Oil prices to the ground, with the aim to hurt Venezuela and Iran.
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Ok, so the oil price from 2004 is going to show otherwise unexplainable consistent historic lows right?
Anyone got the graph of prices from 2004?
2014.
as for more recent sanctions, just google:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/08/world/americas/venezuela-sanctions-maduro.html
The crisis in Venezuela is political (It's origin), not economic.
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I call Bullshit.
You said this goes back 15 years that is 2004. You said the US and Saud set the price of oil and when called on to provide the obvious evidence in the oil price you can't.
Worse than that you have now edited your post to five years which suggests you know you are full of shit.
I think that is poor form even for the internet.
Chávez's daughter has a fortune of more than 4 billion dollars. It is estimated that Diosdado Cabello is over 3.500 million.
Andrade Cedeño, firstly Chávez's bodyguard and later treasurer is in 3000.
López Bello, who was a low-ranking official is in the 1000 million.
There are more, many of them involved in money laundering and drug trafficking.
But they robbed in the name of the revolution.
Andrade Cedeño, firstly Chávez's bodyguard and later treasurer is in 3000.
López Bello, who was a low-ranking official is in the 1000 million.
There are more, many of them involved in money laundering and drug trafficking.
But they robbed in the name of the revolution.
I edited (because i mistakenly put 15 instead of 5) before your response.
Maybe don't take too long to answer next timer after quoting.
I edited (because i mistakenly put 15 instead of 5) before your response.
Maybe don't take too long to answer next timer after quoting.
Classic post.
Admits mistake but somehow I'm wrong for taking too long to point it out.
Specifically, what sanctions?
When did they get enacted and what was the content?
Not somehow.
You're right.Anyone who thinks that the US isn't fecking with the Venezuelan economy and political situation is mental. Regime change shouldn't come about because the Americans say so, it should come about because the Venezuelans want it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change
Guaidó says opposition overestimated military support for uprising.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/need-more-soldiers-venezuelas-guaido-says-opposition-overestimated-military-support-before-failed-uprising/2019/05/04/72561cb8-6e8b-11e9-bbe7-1c798fb80536_story.html
CARACAS, Venezuela — Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaidó on Saturday acknowledged errors made in attempting to stir a military uprising, and did not discard a U.S. military option in Venezuela alongside domestic forces — saying he would take any such offer from Washington to a vote in the country’s National Assembly.
After a dramatic week that saw a clandestine plan to oust President Nicolás Maduro fall apart on Tuesday, Guaidó conceded that the opposition had miscalculated its support within the military.
In an exclusive interview with The Washington Post, Guaidó suggested that he expected Maduro to step down amid a groundswell of defectors within the military. Instead, Guaidó’s call for the rank and file and senior brass to abandon Maduro did not produce mass defections. Maduro’s security forces then quelled street protests and left Guaidó’s U.S.-backed opposition on its heels.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/need-more-soldiers-venezuelas-guaido-says-opposition-overestimated-military-support-before-failed-uprising/2019/05/04/72561cb8-6e8b-11e9-bbe7-1c798fb80536_story.html
CARACAS, Venezuela — Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaidó on Saturday acknowledged errors made in attempting to stir a military uprising, and did not discard a U.S. military option in Venezuela alongside domestic forces — saying he would take any such offer from Washington to a vote in the country’s National Assembly.
After a dramatic week that saw a clandestine plan to oust President Nicolás Maduro fall apart on Tuesday, Guaidó conceded that the opposition had miscalculated its support within the military.
In an exclusive interview with The Washington Post, Guaidó suggested that he expected Maduro to step down amid a groundswell of defectors within the military. Instead, Guaidó’s call for the rank and file and senior brass to abandon Maduro did not produce mass defections. Maduro’s security forces then quelled street protests and left Guaidó’s U.S.-backed opposition on its heels.
I think that it's an interrogation."This is what the government of México is validating regarding Venezuela" Calderón tweets.
Ledezma is the former major of Caracas
Ledezma is the former major of Caracas
Wow still a lot of communists on that side of the pond with the anti-America bull shit.
Just answer the question in a few simple sentences. Should be easy enough.
Like literally the vast majority of these come from after shite was falling apart there, and a significant number are against regime members as opposed to the state itself, where sanctions are more recent.
nice! More hunger!!
Bay of pigs but somehow even less competent
if you're out of the loop american and other mercenaries were going to assassinate maduro and were very easily caught
Two Americans are said to have been amongst the ones captured. The rest were random vigilantes that had been recruited in Colombia.
https://apnews.com/79346b4e428676424c0e5669c80fc310
Looters gonna loot...
Maduro is an incompetent idiot but that doesn't mean that USA and others should interfere in the internal affairs of Venezuela.
If the Americans shout about Russian interfering in the US affairs then everyone else can shout about American interfering in the affairs of other countries.
The interference started before Maduro during the time of Chavez.
This is all economic and white supremacy. Chavez is indigenous. Maduro is from a working class family. They are leftists and want the economy spread to most people.
Others don't want it. Especially the Spanish descendents of the middle and upper class.
That doesn't absolve Maduro of being highly incompetent.
This is not unique to Venezuela. This clash is going on in other countries too where colonisation has taken place.
If the Americans shout about Russian interfering in the US affairs then everyone else can shout about American interfering in the affairs of other countries.
The interference started before Maduro during the time of Chavez.
This is all economic and white supremacy. Chavez is indigenous. Maduro is from a working class family. They are leftists and want the economy spread to most people.
Others don't want it. Especially the Spanish descendents of the middle and upper class.
That doesn't absolve Maduro of being highly incompetent.
This is not unique to Venezuela. This clash is going on in other countries too where colonisation has taken place.
It probably is true that they have done this sort of thing. It is common in South America. The difference is Venezuela could do feck all to the UN investigators unlike the US who have sanctioned the officials of the World Court.
...but they had/have good intentions.
Prices trump politics.
lolly. weird weird corrupt world.
so not weird at all, actually
so not weird at all, actually