Seems a bit predatory/opportunistic and makes the condemnation/support seem fake.
Can you give examples? Or is it just a case of victim blaming the victim that speaks out?
This Argentina v Brazil shit is so boring, don’t bring it to this discussion.
Honestly, this is pathetic, moreso from a supposed fecking United fan.
I completely agree about it being a cultural thing. For example in the UK, in 99% of cases if someone was making monkey chants - the other fans would drag that person out of the stands or make sure the security take them away.
Case is on the chase
Vinicius has many stories with almost every team in spain provoking them, I won't look for the examples. He loves provocation, and there are stupids everywhere, so it's always going to happen. I'd like him to come to England, you will see soon that he will have similar problems, maybe not with racial issues, but he will be involved in polemics. I don't want that kind of personality at United. As I said before, nothing justifies racism anyways.
It's you the one that think we argentinians hate brazilians or something. That's pretty stupid. I don't like Vinicius, that's pretty much it. You can't put yourself as the victim all the time but at the same time do gestures towards the away fans, that just feeds violence.
1) even when his putting someone in their place Ancelotti is so cool and calm.
Think it’s changing tbh. Cafu recently had a rant about Brazilians choosing to play in the prem and blamed that for brazil doing crap at recent world cups.
I don’t know his history or behaviour. You don’t think that your timing comes across like the reporter saying to Ancelotti “but what about Vinicius reaction?”
That's absolutely bollocks.
You’re showing screen shots from the Valencia match.
Maybe because of this
after he gets sent off, he does a gesture to the whole stadium saying they're getting relegated to the second division, insulting, and touching his parts.
three things are certain: spanish fans are racist, Vinicius is a cnut, and no other player (camavinga, tchouameni, rudiger) get this kind of treatment constantly.
Why is it strange? He said that he was repeatedly racially abused in Spain. We cannot do anything to change Spain. But we can use this to sign him. And this is nothing new, teams do anything they can do to get players to become unsettled and make it easier to sign them. If he is really unsettled at Real, if it is not us it will be someone else who signs him.
It didn’t start with Vinicius… Black players have always been racially abused by this kind of “fans”.
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Because a human being is being abused based on how he looks and you only care if it means united can sign him because of it.
He could be as provocative as he would want, the crowd can boo him, they can whistle but all that other extra shit is uncalled for. Vinicius, just like Neymar is a flashy player but why should that matter ??
Not bollocks at all, I've seen it first hand about 15 years ago. At a Villa game, John Carew was getting some nasty stick from a fan that got racist, police were called over and the guy was taken away.
Why do you think I ONLY care for this? I care for his well-being first and foremost. And I hope he will move to United because it will be better for him.
Yeah, probably. The money involved in PL is just insane.
What do you mean? Are you suggesting the Spanish fans/ Tebas shouldn't be criticized because there's racists everywhere?
Can't recall any such fan related incidents in any recent years.
how are apologists for racism allowed to openly post in this forum?
Maybe because of this
after he gets sent off, he does a gesture to the whole stadium saying they're getting relegated to the second division, insulting, and touching his parts.
three things are certain: spanish fans are racist, Vinicius is a cnut, and no other player (camavinga, tchouameni, rudiger) get this kind of treatment constantly.
You do sound somewhat like you are wumming here, on a topic you would be ill-advised to.
And why did he make those gestures? Because he was being racially abused. It is not hard to comprehend, racism should not be tolerated or happening in football grounds under any circumstances.
Maybe because of this
after he gets sent off, he does a gesture to the whole stadium saying they're getting relegated to the second division, insulting, and touching his parts.
three things are certain: spanish fans are racist, Vinicius is a cnut, and no other player (camavinga, tchouameni, rudiger) get this kind of treatment constantly.
I'm wondering the same
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Tebas is that you?
Some Valencia player choked Vinicius from behind for at least 10 seconds and you are using this pic to confirm Vinicius was the aggressor?
Maybe because of this
after he gets sent off, he does a gesture to the whole stadium saying they're getting relegated to the second division, insulting, and touching his parts.
three things are certain: spanish fans are racist, Vinicius is a cnut, and no other player (camavinga, tchouameni, rudiger) get this kind of treatment constantly.
Deary me… are those your actual word in the spoiler or taken from someone else?
Maybe because of this
after he gets sent off, he does a gesture to the whole stadium saying they're getting relegated to the second division, insulting, and touching his parts.
three things are certain: spanish fans are racist, Vinicius is a cnut, and no other player (camavinga, tchouameni, rudiger) get this kind of treatment constantly.
