He will know that he deflected the ball before contact.... Even if loads on Redcafe don't. I mean, I saw it in the VAR video at the time but here we are still arguing over it.....
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Was it a penalty?
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Clear penalty. Those saying no are either indulging in whataboutery or just do not understand the rules.
Both Moss and Webb have come out and apologised for the decision. Wolves were robbed, it was a pen, let's move on!
Both Moss and Webb have come out and apologised for the decision. Wolves were robbed, it was a pen, let's move on!
Onana is also in the process of making a save and he didn't even clatter into the player who headed the ball.
Also small contact to feet is enough to bring down the player.
Sa incident today, Ramsdale vs Bruno last season, Spurs GK vs Brentford all clattered into player after the ball was played, there are many more incidents like this.
GK are protected inside the box, that rule should be changed. Only reason there is even outrage is because it's at the last min of the game.
Mmm I see what you're saying but I don't think it makes any difference. Sa was nowhere near the ball so you could argue that he was challenging for it too. Or argue that Onana was trying to make a save.
The fact that we are having this convo shows that it's not as clear as day as some are making out
Raising your arms and following through are completely different things. He followed through because he was unaware of his surroundings - that's just poor goalkeeping. It was a poor decision. If he had used his eyes he would not have gone for that ball. He was brilliant for the rest of the match, but that was poor play, and he knows it.
Will Jon Moss be admitting errors of refs throughout the season to all teams?
Wasn't he involved in some poor reffing errors on field and on VAR against us last season?
Of course not
What a laughable overreaction.
I didn't watch the game, so decided to watch this dubious call on YouTube. Having read almost all of you saying it's a clear pen I was astounded to find I just don't agree.
That's not a penalty.
Onananana went for the ball, which had already been headed by the player, and collided with him.
If a striker hooks a shot at goal and is accidentally brought down by the GK afterwards, is that a pen?
I didn't watch the game, so decided to watch this dubious call on YouTube. Having read almost all of you saying it's a clear pen I was astounded to find I just don't agree.
That's not a penalty.
Onananana went for the ball, which had already been headed by the player, and collided with him.
If a striker hooks a shot at goal and is accidentally brought down by the GK afterwards, is that a pen?
This. Seems mad to me that people are trying to claim it wasn't. Sure, you've seen them not given too but that doesn't mean it wasn't a pen. Absolutely delighted we got away with it but still a clear pen.
Yeah should have been, but most similar examples last season weren't given, and no new guidance to refs I am aware of.
We definitely got away with one overall last night though. Poor performance in midfield especially.
We definitely got away with one overall last night though. Poor performance in midfield especially.
Nailed it. Not a penalty for me.
He has obviously been controversial. It just strikes me that a member of the PGMOL would come out on an isolated incident like this. Especially as it may clearly be argued that the decision was not a clear an obvious error.
Agree that he might should not have made that jump but it's in great hindsight imo. If he didn't jump and Wolves scored from that ball he'd got murdered here. People gonna say we paid 40m just for another DDG.
It's the same with Van Dijk last season imo. No one could be sure he would have stopped Sancho from scoring or not but he got criticised a lot for standing there and not making a challenge. When behind you is the empty net you gotta throw your body in and do something. All that happen in a blink of eye and you won't have enough time to consider you'd make it or not.
To be honest I never seen any contact with the ball, I watched the match and the replay and judged it from that, definitely need to see it again and have another look. I thought the Wolves player got the ball and Onana missed and took out the other wolves player.
The force was not excessive, and the fact remains that both keepers fouled the opposition players, and that is the only relevant bit here. No one was injured, and it was not excessive force where he punched the player or kicked him in the chest or something. Players clatter into each other all the time when going for an aerial ball, does not mean a pen is given for those.
Also, if you think Antony could getting his chip away means that is fine, then the same can be applied to their player getting the header away. Onana did not even foul the player who headed the ball, unlike their keeper.
The most important part is that this is normal for keepers. They are not punished for things that other players would be. It has always been normal that when keepers clatters into players, the keeper is almost never punished. For whatever reason, this is pretty normal in football.
He’s a Sunderland supporting Leeds living prick so probably not.
The threshold for a foul is always higher with:
- aerial contact in crowded penalty boxes
- getting the shot away / not changing the outcome scenarios
- goalkeepers challenging in the air
Very slight deflection so I was screaming no pen fully expecting the ref to give it anyway..... Kudos to be honest, but Redcafe and media gon Redcafe and media, and consequently we'll get shafted for the foreseeable
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I'm just not seeing how that's applicable here - Onana initiates the contact (to put it mildly), it's not like it was a 50/50.
There was a good few apologies last couple of years. More than usual. Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal ,Brighton , Villa , west ham all got one at some point.
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From Moss?
Don't see United on that list. Not saying it didn't happen but we had quite a few bad decisions go against us last season and I don't remember apologies for them.
Pretty sure that actually happened at one point where Antony lobbed their keeper and he wiped him out diving for the ball. Haven't seen a replay of it anywhere funnily enough.
To be honest it looked a penalty.. If it was against us, we would be furious. Wolves deserved a point really.
Don't think i can post a link , but Celtic got a very similar penalty against Bayer Leverkusen a few years ago in the Europa League. Keeper went to punch ball like onana, missed it and clattered into kyogo instead. Referee give it after he went to the monitor.
Just because the ball is already away , or no excessive force doesn't mean something isn't a foul. The excessive force measure is used to determine punishment not guilt , and If the ball was already released or headed that just means the foul was late, which is still a foul.
Just because the ball is already away , or no excessive force doesn't mean something isn't a foul. The excessive force measure is used to determine punishment not guilt , and If the ball was already released or headed that just means the foul was late, which is still a foul.
Stonewall penalty.
Can anyone please post a gif of the incident? Will no one take up the bloodstained mantle?
I wouldn't have been angry if it was given, but feel like these are almost never given unless a foot or concussion is involved.
https://x.com/jakeychappers/status/1691368571094396928?s=46&t=GTBKlfVLnCiC1UnHvoOc0Q
Not sure if this has been posted in here yet or not.
Similar situation last season, pen also not given.
Not sure if this has been posted in here yet or not.
Similar situation last season, pen also not given.
Look for the VAR footage, look for the deflection off Onana's fingers
It's 100% a pen, he just clatters him ffs. If you do that you've got to get the ball or at least properly challenge for it.
Onanas eyes were on the ball as he jumped, maybe a little late, but what was he supposed to do. Arms clear of the wolves player so in my opinion he went for the ball and collided with the player.
Of course he went for the ball, but it's still a foul. Most freekicks and penalties are awarded in situations where a player is late or misses a challenge where he went for the ball and got the player instead. It doesn't have to be intentional to be a foul, in most cases it's not. Stonewall penalty to me.
The referee team wont be refereeing any games this weekend and Jon Moss himself has apologised. To claim that it wasn't a penalty at this point goes beyond United bias. It's pure insanity.
Insanity?
THIS.IS.SP eh UNITED
Here you go...
Yeah, that's a pen surely?
So similar.
I wouldn’t have been outraged if a penalty had been given, it’s just not a clear a penalty as others are stating. That’s just my opinion, which doesn’t count for much.