- Oct 9, 2019
And some people say that Rooney didnt live up to his potential whilst some say that Veron wasn't a flop
Same people probably think Lukaku should have stayed.And some people say that Rooney didnt live up to his potential whilst some say that Veron wasn't a flop
Veron didnt really come up a level after United did he? I dont remember it.Same people probably think Lukaku should have stayed.
Veron was a flop at Utd and Chelsea, absolutely no doubt about it. I think even former players have also alluded to his failure at Utd was down to Keane being the main man in midfield at Utd. That didn't allow him to fully take control of that area like he did in Italy.
I watched a lot of Italian football back then because of Channel 4. He was an excellent player. I think the real issue was that the English game at the time just didn't suit him and his style.
His agent was touting Seba all around Europe trying to get him out of United. SAF felt slightly betrayed as, with the departure of Beckham, he felt he could now grasp his opportunity and be a constant figure in the starting 11.I don’t remember the opponent but my memory swears I was watching a pre season highlight on Sky News & he played a ridiculous through ball for an assist then was sold days later.
Might just be a false memory but I remember thinking he was about to settle as well.
He really was one of the top midfielders in the world. He went downhill after joining and was worse at Chelsea from what I remember.Veron didnt really come up a level after United did he? I dont remember it.
With Forlan you could arguably say it was the wrong time or the wrong league or environment for him because he has done well after.
not so sure that’s the story. SAF was bigging him up to sell him, and when we got a great offer, even at 50% of what we paid for him, we bit their hands off.His agent was touting Seba all around Europe trying to get him out of United. SAF felt slightly betrayed as, with the departure of Beckham, he felt he could now grasp his opportunity and be a constant figure in the starting 11.
SAF didn't want to sell Veron, it was merely a case of both player and agent desperately pushing for a move.
But it was a shame as he was putting in some stellar performances on tour but we all know why now. Just to get himself out-there again in the shop window.
Naa. I'd say two years of real games was enough to decide. A few pre season friendlies against good sides who were behind us on preperation shouldn't have mattered.Maybe he should have been given more time to prove himself as his performances in pre-season were very encouraging.
Muirhead, Stewart, and Veron scored, no double from Stewart. Veron seemed to be quite lively from the writeup; had a free kick saved by the keeper, played the ball that Ole set for Stewart's goal, and set up Giggs who failed to convert.I saw Veron live when he played against my hometown club Bournemouth in a testimonial game, Rio made his debut I recall.
I was fixated on Veron throughout the whole game. Was so excited to see this genuine world class player but truth be told, other than a amazing backheel down the byline, he was pretty trash. Bournemouth were all over him and he just couldn't get into the game. It was too physical and quick for him.
We won the game eventually 3-2. A double from Stewart and another from Ben Muirhead.
To say I was disappointed with Veron's performance would be a understatement.
Got me thinking... seeing as SAF usually added 1-3 quality players per summer, sometimes to replace outgoing players, who should he have signed that summer? They had signed Carroll, Ruud, and Richardosn that summer - future backup keeper to replace Raimond, a striker to replace Teddy, and a teen winger.He was a massive flop.
Some people have short memories. He's a great player and I actually liked him, but he didn't fit anywhere in our team and didn't adapt at al lto the PL. We already had a midfield full of world class players who were used to and adapted to the PL, and Scholes who was better than Veron at everything Veron was good at (no shame in that really).
He had a good first month or so then after that it was mostly bad. A brief decent run of form in his second season, then after that he had a mysterious "injury" that meant he barely got picked for about 6 months. Then Ferguson sold him to Chelsea. Something he'd never do in a million years with a player he actually rated.
Sometimes it just doesn't work out for whatever reason. I still really rate him as a player, but it was really noticeable for us at least that he struggled with the PL. He'd nearly always look a completely different player in the European games.
That summer 2001 of the big names we were realistically linked to (Vieira, Veron, Rivaldo, Nedved, Rui Costa, Petit) with hindsight Pavel Nedved was the one we should've went for. Imagine him playing off a peak Ruud Van Nistelrooy for a couple of years...would've been fecking sick.Got me thinking... seeing as SAF usually added 1-3 quality players per summer, sometimes to replace outgoing players, who should he have signed that summer? They had signed Carroll, Ruud, and Richardosn that summer - future backup keeper to replace Raimond, a striker to replace Teddy, and a teen winger.
Perhaps a young player to groom into Keane's successor, maybe a certain Alonso at Sociedad?
Perhaps a then prodigy like Joe Cole who had liked for a while?
Perhaps made a big push for Riquelme while at Boca?
Added squad player type, perhaps a young Seth Johnson who had recently made his England debut (and nearly scored) but never hit the heights some anticipated? (he made signings like this here and there, see Djemba, Miller, etc.)
Gone for a young midfielder at West Ham, went by the name Carrick?
Nedved, as the poster above mentioned. Mendieta perhaps? Though he may have flopped in England.I think i was the only one not enthralled with the Veron signing. Thanks to Channel 4's Serie A coverage I watched him alot at Lazio and Parma etc. My thought at the time was that he was just the wrong type of midfielder needed for our team. We didnt need another deep lying midfielder. We already had world class in Keane and Scholes playing in those positions with Nicky Butt as back-up.
what we needed was someone who played higher up the pitch who could take players on, score goals and give us pace and penetration in the final third of the pitch. Someone who could link up with the lone forward.
Riquelme would've been interesting. He was a World Class talent no question but again I think he would've struggled with the pace of the Premier League.Nedved, as the poster above mentioned. Mendieta perhaps? Though he may have flopped in England.
Riquelme was spending another year at Boca, perhaps he'd have joined and played in that role off the striker ahead of the midfield. May have flopped in England, didn't have the pace you mentioned but could play a killer pass and take a good shot (and set piece).
He might not be able to head or tackle, but shooting is something he is very good at.I vaguely remember a pundit saying after a match that Veron couldn't head, shoot or tackle and agreeing with them.
I read in Andy Coles book that he thought he was one of the nicest and most decent blokes he had ever met though