Waynne
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Amad has to start the FA Cup final
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Amad has to start the FA Cup final
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Of course your interpretation is your business. A little piece of advice though - maybe avoid posting it on a public United fan forum if you don't want your posts to be scrutinised.The very intent of ambiguity is to leave it (a cryptic message) open to interpretation. How I choose to interpret it, (which wasn’t isolated to just myself, and sound contextually), is my business.
You're literally posting weird shit on multiple threads and are then surprised when fellow posters on the same forum call you out on your bullshit. Either stand by your posts or admit you were wrong. Resorting to namecalling isn't going to achieve much.Further, do you have all my posts spread across a multitude of threads committed to memory or something? Or are you actively searching my posts?
This isn’t normal behaviour. At all.
Go away, you freak.
Of course your interpretation is your business. A little piece of advice though - maybe avoid posting it on a public United fan forum if you don't want your posts to be scrutinised.
You're literally posting weird shit on multiple threads and are then surprised when fellow posters on the same forum call you out on your bullshit. Either stand by your posts or admit you were wrong. Resorting to namecalling isn't going to achieve much.
"Scrutinise my posts all you like", he says, a few minutes after calling a poster a freak for scrutinising his comments:Eh? What on earth are you talking about? Where did I make comments on my posts being scrutinised? Where did I ever rescind my statements? I stand by my opinions and posts 100% at the time that I make them. Happy to discuss (which is the point of a discussion board? no?), but don’t quote other posters saying I am “weird” for engaging in discussion in a thread
Further, do you have all my posts spread across a multitude of threads committed to memory or something? Or are you actively searching my posts?
This isn’t normal behaviour. At all.
Go away, you freak.
It's not just pain, pain can be managed with painkillers but one of the risk of doing these things often is that there is a risk of addiction and there is also a risk of long term disability, Batistuta being an example. More athletes are aware of the risks and many will think more carefully about the consequences of their decisions.
There is also the case of Umtiti who chose the World Cup in spite of medical advises.
I agree with Paul on this. Though why would it be Bruno? Up until those last two games he missed, Bruno NEVER missed any game through injury. He could well have played through some knocks and niggles during his time here. Rooney was stirring the pot unnecessarily for god knows what reason. If it's not the medical team getting slandered for almost 15 years (the accusations of them being shit comes from the later Fergie era, despite it being a totally different team), it's now the players faking it.The Talk of the Devils podcast talked about this today. They strongly believe Rooney was referring to Bruno Fernandes. Both Mitten and Anka understand that Rooney was targeting Bruno, who Rooney believed could have played the games he missed, but didn’t want to risk his fitness in the medium term for the Euros.
Anka especially was angry at Rooney for both his unprofessionalism and his unwillingness to name names and leave a load of players facing unfair criticism. He also points out that Rooney should know better given what playing through injuries did to his career.
Bruno, it is claimed, has taken negatively to comments from ex-United players this season.
Yet didn't Rooney say after the game that the team should be built round Bruno.The Talk of the Devils podcast talked about this today. They strongly believe Rooney was referring to Bruno Fernandes. Both Mitten and Anka understand that Rooney was targeting Bruno, who Rooney believed could have played the games he missed, but didn’t want to risk his fitness in the medium term for the Euros.
Anka especially was angry at Rooney for both his unprofessionalism and his unwillingness to name names and leave a load of players facing unfair criticism. He also points out that Rooney should know better given what playing through injuries did to his career.
Bruno, it is claimed, has taken negatively to comments from ex-United players this season.
I'd be surprised if it was Bruno as last night he said that he thinks the club should build around him. Also don't really think it's unprofessional to state that his opinion on it. Didn't Anka do something similar recently too? Said something then didn't name anyone?
For me Rooney was very obviously trying to salvage his mistake. I think he knows he shouldnt' have said that and came across a lot nicer in the post match analysis yesterday.Yet didn't Rooney say after the game that the team should be built round Bruno.
The Talk of the Devils podcast talked about this today. They strongly believe Rooney was referring to Bruno Fernandes. Both Mitten and Anka understand that Rooney was targeting Bruno, who Rooney believed could have played the games he missed, but didn’t want to risk his fitness in the medium term for the Euros.
Anka especially was angry at Rooney for both his unprofessionalism and his unwillingness to name names and leave a load of players facing unfair criticism. He also points out that Rooney should know better given what playing through injuries did to his career.
Bruno, it is claimed, has taken negatively to comments from ex-United players this season.
And people wonder why Bruno is reportedly open to leaving. The amount of shit he gets off ex United players is a joke. Guy didn't miss a game for us through injury in over four fecking years and he carried us through some of our darkest periods as a club. Deserves a lot more respect.The Talk of the Devils podcast talked about this today. They strongly believe Rooney was referring to Bruno Fernandes. Both Mitten and Anka understand that Rooney was targeting Bruno, who Rooney believed could have played the games he missed, but didn’t want to risk his fitness in the medium term for the Euros.
Anka especially was angry at Rooney for both his unprofessionalism and his unwillingness to name names and leave a load of players facing unfair criticism. He also points out that Rooney should know better given what playing through injuries did to his career.
Bruno, it is claimed, has taken negatively to comments from ex-United players this season.
Shame he couldn't just admit he was wrong, but pundits rarely do.For me Rooney was very obviously trying to salvage his mistake. I think he knows he shouldnt' have said that and came across a lot nicer in the post match analysis yesterday.
As someone said Rooney should be well aware of how playing through injuries can shorten your career. Managers and medical staff need to realise which niggles are fine to play through and which are not. If they can play, make sure they get good treatment inbetween games to make sure it does not escalate into something worse.Bruno is absolutely right to be angry and Carl Anker was spot on.
It also proved the thick, easily enraged online mob wrong. I'll doubt they'll be as vocal in their apology they were in their misguided witch hunt.
He even get's it from a lot of the fanbase which must drive him as crazy as it does me. If he does leave, they will all soon miss him. Just like when Rooney left and subsequently retired in the US, the bad later seasons were almost forgotten because his replacements were 100x worse.And people wonder why Bruno is reportedly open to leaving. The amount of shit he gets off ex United players is a joke. Guy didn't miss a game for us through injury in over four fecking years and he carried us through some of our darkest periods as a club. Deserves a lot more respect.
Wouldn't happen.Shame he couldn't just admit he was wrong, but pundits rarely do.
For me Rooney was very obviously trying to salvage his mistake. I think he knows he shouldnt' have said that and came across a lot nicer in the post match analysis yesterday.
Personally don't think it's wrong to say at all. It's a normal thing in football (to manage games and perhaps not play in dead rubber type games if you're not completely 100%) and if a player is offended by it when he didn't even mention who it was, then they need to fix up.
Also in regards to Anka, someone posted on here a few weeks ago about how he said United were in the market for a centre half but then refused to name who it was so can't really take the moral high ground on people not naming names when it comes to topics.
The fanbase is quick to jump on anything to demonise the players, it's why our latest crop of managers will use it to deflect from their own mistakes (I'm sure you disagree on whom though) and it feeds into their frustrations. The truth is that yes, these players are injured, they aren't faking it. McTominay had an injury about two or three games ago where he looked visibly enraged about it. The injury ended up just being a knock, but he was probably disappointed that he could have potentially been out for weeks again at the time. I don't know how you can fake that.Wouldn't happen.
I think Rooney shouldn't have said it (and there is a broader problem with our ex players being unhelpful on TV by spouting nonsense) but in isolation its a storm in a teacup and we should move on.
Why? He knows what he's doing by doing that. Creating speculation. So it's fine for him to do so?That's one of the most ridiculous comparisons I have ever read.
Why? He knows what he's doing by doing that. Creating speculation. So it's fine for him to do so?
My wider point is that it's fair token in the punditry and journalism world where people don't name names when circling topics. Everyone does it for every topic. Barely anyone actually names people. The only reason it happens so often with United is because the punditry game is unfortunately saturated with ex-United pros.
Bruno is literally the last United player that would come to mind on hearing Rooney's comments. Seems completely mad to me that anyone would assume he was talking about Bruno. How on earth did they come to that conclusion?
You're suggesting a journalist cannot condemn someone for saying something which started a witch hunt that directly led to the abuse of players because he once playfully wouldn't tell listeners which free transfer United should go for? That's fecking bonkers.
Eh? Have you actually read the last page of posts.Probably just jumped to conclusions based on their personal dislike of Bruno.
Probably just jumped to conclusions based on their personal dislike of Bruno.
I'm saying that Anka knows the game and he does it himself. All pundits and journalists talk about a range of topics but don't name names. It's standard to create speculation or garner views and reactions, aswell as part of giving opinions on football.
If fans start abusing players or others because of that, it's on them for being thickos, not Rooney et al.
It's very two different things - and Anka hasn't done anything comparable to Rooney here. Firstly, Anka isn't Wayne Rooney. Rooney is a United club legend and a walking headline if he says something remotely controversial.Personally don't think it's wrong to say at all. It's a normal thing in football (to manage games and perhaps not play in dead rubber type games if you're not completely 100%) and if a player is offended by it when he didn't even mention who it was, then they need to fix up.
Also in regards to Anka, someone posted on here a few weeks ago about how he said United were in the market for a centre half but then refused to name who it was so can't really take the moral high ground on people not naming names when it comes to topics.
It's very two different things - and Anka hasn't done anything comparable to Rooney here. Firstly, Anka isn't Wayne Rooney. Rooney is a United club legend and a walking headline if he says something remotely controversial.
Rooney also made a very lazy assumption that players must be feigning injury which puts professionalism into question.
That's nothing like Anka saying United want a CB (which has been corroborated by every journalist worth their salt). It's not controversial and it's not a headline putting professionalism into question.
Generally speaking the media has very much changed, and players are targeted a lot more than they used to be. Careless words from Rooney without basis are detrimental and he should be mindful of that.
What are you talking about? Why would they call out Rashford? The point isn’t that they are engaging in conjecture about Rooney is talking about, but have well sourced information that they know Rooney was criticising Bruno Fernandes specifically.Yeah, those TOTD guys are incredibly reluctant to call out Rashford (who was the most obvious suspect after Rooney’s comments) so that doesn’t surprise me.
It's very two different things - and Anka hasn't done anything comparable to Rooney here. Firstly, Anka isn't Wayne Rooney. Rooney is a United club legend and a walking headline if he says something remotely controversial.
Rooney also made a very lazy assumption that players must be feigning injury which puts professionalism into question.
That's nothing like Anka saying United want a CB (which has been corroborated by every journalist worth their salt). It's not controversial and it's not a headline putting professionalism into question.
Generally speaking the media has very much changed, and players are targeted a lot more than they used to be. Careless words from Rooney without basis are detrimental and he should be mindful of that.
Also, he didn't say United were signing him, he was saying they should. It wasn't even a rumor, it was an opinion.
What are you talking about? Why would they call out Rashford? The point isn’t that they are engaging in conjecture about Rooney is talking about, but have well sourced information that they know Rooney was criticising Bruno Fernandes specifically.
Unfortunately, top football players are not top football players necessarily because they are analytic masterminds. Their expertise in football pertains much to intuition in on-field situations and the part of tactics most relevant to their position. Many ex-players start of well as pundits because they have first hand knowledge fresh in their memory of how complex traing and game situations can be, and they have a natural humility with respect to how much the medical staff, coaches, managers, even groundkeepers know that they don’t have a more than a faint clue about. They start out as respectful and speak assertively only about what they have concrete experience with.The Talk of the Devils podcast talked about this today. They strongly believe Rooney was referring to Bruno Fernandes. Both Mitten and Anka understand that Rooney was targeting Bruno, who Rooney believed could have played the games he missed, but didn’t want to risk his fitness in the medium term for the Euros.
Anka especially was angry at Rooney for both his unprofessionalism and his unwillingness to name names and leave a load of players facing unfair criticism. He also points out that Rooney should know better given what playing through injuries did to his career.
Bruno, it is claimed, has taken negatively to comments from ex-United players this season.
It doesn't really matter what topics they are. They're both going to or trying to create speculation and discussion which is my wider point. Absolutely everyone in the industry does it from pundits to journalists. If fans or people on twitter are going to start abusing players then that's on them for being thickos and dickheads, it's not on Rooney. I don't think it is unprofessional to say and I think it is a fairly obvious point to make concerning football. If someone does have a slight niggle that they can play through but there are only 3 games left and one's a final and you have a Euros on the horizon then it makes complete sense for some to manage and save themselves. Rooney quite clearly just has a hardened football mentality which he believes you should play every game and perhaps a black and white opinion.
Their job is to provide opinion on football and they're chosen because they're ex-professionals with insight into the game. I think it's clear when Rooney speaks he is speaking from a view of himself and his view on the game where he would probably play through little niggles at times. He said it again last night where he said if you're fit enough to be on the bench then you're fit enough to start. That's clearly his viewpoint on football and it's shared by quite a lot of other ex-pros.
I think you're missing my wider point which is about speculation and media. If you disagree, that's fine, but in my opinion it's standard practice which everyone does and we see it happen every single week.
They aren't though. One is creating speculation leaning back on Skysports after a game and just punting on a situation, the other is saying United need a centre back which is corroborated by various journalists with well placed sources.It doesn't really matter what topics they are. They're both going to or trying to create speculation and discussion which is my wider point.
I don't think it's common for pundits or journalists to say with a strong degree of conviction that players are faking injuries. That's quite a bold and serious accusation.Absolutely everyone in the industry does it from pundits to journalists.
Well therein lies the problem. He's guesstimated on what the issues are and assumed a lot out of the situation, effectively peddling a lie on Sky Sports. It doesn't matter if it's been done before by someone else, it doesn't make the statement any less wrong.If fans or people on twitter are going to start abusing players then that's on them for being thickos and dickheads, it's not on Rooney. I don't think it is unprofessional to say and I think it is a fairly obvious point to make concerning football. If someone does have a slight niggle that they can play through but there are only 3 games left and one's a final and you have a Euros on the horizon then it makes complete sense for some to manage and save themselves. Rooney quite clearly just has a hardened football mentality which he believes you should play every game and perhaps a black and white opinion.
Correct - give insight into the game. Not whether a player who wasn't in the matchday squad is actually hurt or faking an injury. He can stick to his remit and talk about the game itself and where we did well, where we did bad and stop there.Their job is to provide opinion on football and they're chosen because they're ex-professionals with insight into the game.
They aren't though. One is creating speculation leaning back on Skysports after a game and just punting on a situation, the other is saying United need a centre back which is corroborated by various journalists with well placed sources.
I don't think it's common for pundits or journalists to say with a strong degree of conviction that players are faking injuries. That's quite a bold and serious accusation.
Well therein lies the problem. He's guesstimated on what the issues are and assumed a lot out of the situation, effectively peddling a lie on Sky Sports. It doesn't matter if it's been done before by someone else, it doesn't make the statement any less wrong.
Correct - give insight into the game. Not whether a player who wasn't in the matchday squad is actually hurt or faking an injury. He can stick to his remit and talk about the game itself and where we did well, where we did bad and stop there.
The Anka speculating bit still makes no sense. There's no speculation in stating United need a center back. Many reputable journalists are told what positions are a priority for a club, they would report accordingly and state these positions are prioritised.Indeed, and by not naming names you're creating speculation about who it is.
It's not really a bold or serious accusation, it's an obvious point in football that I would figure that most people would understand happens regularly?
Football isn't just about the game they're watching. They're being asked questions about United overall and the football world overall.
The Anka speculating bit still makes no sense. There's no speculation in stating United need a center back. Many reputable journalists are told what positions are a priority for a club, they would report accordingly and state these positions are prioritised.
Speculation would be throwing a name out there in a lazy fashion. For example if Anka didn't have corroboration outside of "he plays for a connected club" and said "They're looking at Todibo" --> that would be speculation. But he didn't.
Also no to playing down the accusation too. It's a very serious accusation from an ex player to assume current players at the club are feigning injury. He's basically trying to beat his chest with the whole narrative of how he'd never do that, and making the media believe that United players are. There is a very small handful of cases where that's happened before in punditry, if ever. I cant think of a case, so yeah it's pretty rare.
He gave details about the CB and then refused to name them. Just weird behaviour unless you're doing it on purpose to create discussion etc.
He very much did, through sensationalist comments being sure that United players were feigning injury, which is evidently not true.He didn't make the media believe United players are ffs. He just gave his opinion about it and if the media and fans are going to lap that up as gospel then more fool them.
Anyway, we can agree to disagree.