MiceOnMeth
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The romanticist in me was half hoping that tweet was going to link him to the United job
Ten Hag’s understudy.He should become a number 2 under an elite coach before his next manager job.
Yeah Ten Hag would be a good appointment for PlymouthTen Hag’s understudy.
It’s a good opportunity and a much better job than managing anywhere in the US. They seem to have a good setup at Plymouth.Why is he subjecting himself to this? If he wants to manage that bad without dedicating his entire life to it, he should've stuck to jobs in the United States.
I know he's going Plymouth now, but wanted to comment anyway.He should become a number 2 under an elite coach before his next manager job.
The whole idea is meaningless. How many of SAF's assistants became great managers of their own? How many of Pep's or Mourinho's or Klopp's or Ancelotti's assistants? It is not like you are the assistant of a great cook and you learn the secret of the magic sauce. The challenges for each club are unique, and you need to have the personality and the ability, it is not something specific you can learn from a master.I know he's going Plymouth now, but wanted to comment anyway.
That sounds good, but how do you do it? Elite managers often have their own preferred team. In cases where they don't appoint someone they've worked with before it's often through a connection with a club and already coaching there or they're an ex-teammate of the manager.
How many elites are there anyway? I'd say 10 at most, but maybe you meant more. It would certainly be hard to declare you want to be a number 2 to a top 10 manager and get the gig. There'd be a lot of waiting around for a vacancy as well.
It would be unsual for someone with a taste of management to become an assistant too. That doesn't seem to happen much, maybe it's an ego thing.
Didn’t they announce him joining the overlap just the other day??I admire him that he wants to try instead of taking the easy Overlap money.
You know what to expect when it doesn’t go well, the abuse from fans, guys like Simon Jordan ridiculing you on the radio, but he is willing to take the tough jobs and give it a go.
The likes of Lampard weren’t prepared to drop down and put in the work despite saying how much they wanted it.
I hope it works out for him and fair play to him for giving it a go.
They did yeah, this must have come out of the blue! It’s fair play walking away from that cushy number to get into the trenches at Plymouth!Didn’t they announce him joining the overlap just the other day??
The whole idea is meaningless. How many of SAF's assistants became great managers of their own? How many of Pep's or Mourinho's or Klopp's or Ancelotti's assistants? It is not like you are the assistant of a great cook and you learn the secret of the magic sauce. The challenges for each club are unique, and you need to have the personality and the ability, it is not something specific you can learn from a master.
I hope for you that no Dortmund fan reads this, as Edin Terzic is one of those former assistants. Surely they'll claim they are an elite club, after all they are in the CL finalGerman football seems to have done alright at producing managers from former assistants in recent years, but even then it wasn't at elite clubs. They'd often shine at a good but not great Bundesliga clubs after being given the chance before getting a bigger job up near the top.
Yeah, been quite well run in the last few years and last season were fantastic in league one but will struggle again in the championship without new investment. It's pretty obvious that the resources of other championship clubs spending are not there and unwilling to go into massive debt for the playing squad. Rooney has a chance here to revive his manager career I think, as expectations are not high, especially after Foster who was a disaster. (I don't know why a club would hire an assistant manager to a subpar manager in Gerrard from the Saudi league, I thought that was idiotic)Anyway, Plymouth - anyone know much about them?
I don't, but they seem to be ambitious. I know they fired the previous manager after a very short spell with poor results, and that Morgan Whittaker had a great campaign. Would think they're going to lose him which means they're probably going to struggle whoever they appoint. Without him they'd have almost certainly have been relegated this past season.
On paper I'd have thought Championship survival is decent for them as they've historically not done much more than that. I remember when Peter Reid went there when they were in severe financial problems and in a lovely act sold some medals of his to pay the player's wages.
Yeah, Lampard would never have accepted a job at a Championship club.The likes of Lampard weren’t prepared to drop down and put in the work despite saying how much they wanted it.
It’s a bit of both in the modern game I think. You can learn far more about tactics and shape from a world class manager as an assistant than ever before. How to train, act and behave in a top tier environment.The whole idea is meaningless. How many of SAF's assistants became great managers of their own? How many of Pep's or Mourinho's or Klopp's or Ancelotti's assistants? It is not like you are the assistant of a great cook and you learn the secret of the magic sauce. The challenges for each club are unique, and you need to have the personality and the ability, it is not something specific you can learn from a master.
He did, left, and never went back despite having offers and reported rejections from even smaller premier league clubs, like Norwich.Yeah, Lampard would never have accepted a job at a Championship club.
Huge respect for their fanbase though. Ridiculous distances they cover every year and they sell out most away allocations.Dire club. Growing up in Cornwall they were the closest league club so I had one eye on them and my god are they just so irrelevant in every way.
Lampard has managed a side to qualification for the champions league, Rooney got a side relegated to league 1. Of course they're at different points in their career now.He did, left, and never went back despite having offers and reported rejections from even smaller premier league clubs, like Norwich.
He only wanted the big jobs after Derby and he didn’t really do enough there to get them.
He would be working in the Championship now if he wanted it.
Bit harsh to say Rooney got them relegated. He was sacked on the 2nd of January. I agree with your overall point though.Lampard has managed a side to qualification for the champions league, Rooney got a side relegated to league 1. Of course they're at different points in their career now.
Lamps very nearly relegated a mid table Premier League team, so I don’t think the comparison really holds.Lampard has managed a side to qualification for the champions league, Rooney got a side relegated to league 1. Of course they're at different points in their career now.
That's unfair on Rooney, without the massive point deduction they would have finished well clear of the relegation zone.Lampard has managed a side to qualification for the champions league, Rooney got a side relegated to league 1. Of course they're at different points in their career now.
He's made it pretty clear he wants to be a manager. Not sure why he wouldn't want to. Think Derby and DC were both decent moves for him to develop and he made a faux Pas with Birmingham but he seems to not have the arrogance to think any job is beneath him. That's quite refreshing for big name players.Seems a strange appointment for both sides, Plymouth have been a well run club over the last few years and steered clear of big name appointments, and I don't see why Rooney would want to get into management again.
Maybe they've appointed him because he saved them from relegation last season!
Why would he want to more like? Most manager jobs end in failure and ultimately the sack and with respect the chances of success with Plymouth must be small.He's made it pretty clear he wants to be a manager. Not sure why he wouldn't want to. Think Derby and DC were both decent moves for him to develop and he made a faux Pas with Birmingham but he seems to not have the arrogance to think any job is beneath him. That's quite refreshing for big name players.
My suspicion is that Wayne is someone who needs the structure and day to day involvement in football, given his history of various vices. He just seems like the sort of person who would go off the rails a bit if he was unemployed, or rocking up to be a talking head once or twice a week.Why would he want to more like? Most manager jobs end in failure and ultimately the sack and with respect the chances of success with Plymouth must be small.
Few big name players go into management nowadays, I can only think of Gerrard, Lampard and Carrick recently with John Terry having a dabble, they don't need the money and if they want to stay in the game there are less stressful ways like academy coaching or media work.
Fair play to him for putting himself out there, but I'd be surprised if he was still there this time next year..
Because he lives and breathes football and enjoys managing if you've ever seen interviews with him. Some ex players love punditry, some don't. Some love coaching, some don't. Some love managing, some don't. Rooney loves it all.Why would he want to more like? Most manager jobs end in failure and ultimately the sack and with respect the chances of success with Plymouth must be small.
Few big name players go into management nowadays, I can only think of Gerrard, Lampard and Carrick recently with John Terry having a dabble, they don't need the money and if they want to stay in the game there are less stressful ways like academy coaching or media work.
Fair play to him for putting himself out there, but I'd be surprised if he was still there this time next year..