Well he certainly wouldn't have the words won feck all after his name but seriously you can't compare a serial winner to a novice who's not improving enough.
We are an awfully coached team
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It's a difference of opinions really.
I do feel the team is making steady improvements.
This season is key though. We have a great squad, midfield options aside.
We need to have a great season, no excuses.
I'll agree with a manager change if this season goes to shit.
I just feel the talk of changing managers and the general negativity on here is a bit premature after 4 games in the league, with 10 points on the board.
Pep has won every major trophy in existence and got records galore. That affords you leeway. Ole has won nothing that is why he gets critiqued.
So it’s just pure tribalism then? Got it.
Of course some tribalism is involved, this is football.
What I find strange are the United fans that come on here to defend City and Pep.
Some even arguing that yesterday was a better City perfomance than United's against Southampton.
The dream that we're not a chop and change modern club.
That our belief in good things coming to those who wait will pay off.
The same dream saw Fergie given 7 years before he won the league. Our loyalty and patience was paid off in spades.
That's the dream. That we're not a soulless husk of a club.
I don't care what you have written before. I like a manager who is involved in the match.I’ve written much about this topic before. It’s a myth and typical nonsense which is easy to believe in, especially if they haven’t played on the highest level.
But probably more fun with a crazy manager on the sideline
If it doesn't matter then why do Ronaldo, Klopp and other high profile pros do it? I am looking forward to a very good answer!
The expression is "AT the highest level" not "ON". Ja?
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While understanding that sentiment, I think it is to one-sided. I mean, apart from Fergie, how often does it happen, that somebody is going to stay for so long having so much success? Wenger won his first titles in his 2nd year at the Gunners. So all in all, I know, the Fergie story is one of the greatest in sports but how realistic is it to expect that the same thing happens again? And that the only deciding factor was in fact the time?
I also don't think that teams like Real Madrid, Barcelona or Bayern are soulless husks. It feels like you try to construct a world, where we can "do the right thing" and remain with our soul intact plus successful. Doesn't feel realistic to me at all. Again, the results have been really good and I am not for sacking him just to get rid because he is "soooo bad" but for me, it needs to be noted that he didn't show too many indicators that he can be one of the great managers. He did a very good job recruiting and creating an atmosphere, but I think, it is at least debatable if these are the most important aspects for being a manager these days. Because who knows, if your Fergie story would even be applicable these days.
Let's hope your right then and it is only hope. Fergie won the FA cup in his third full season. Let's hope Ole can at least win something.
I don't have to agree with you just like you don't have to agree with me. Your post is a perfect example of what I was talking about. That's some good stuff. I can feel your bitterness. Post is full of emotion. And to end it off ad hominem attacks.
"Felix Magath claims Pep Guardiola would have won the Champions League with Bayern Munich or Manchester City if it weren’t for his “boring style” of football.
Guardiola claimed the second of his two Champions League gongs in 2011, but Magath claims “Messi won the titles”.
"Without Messi, this system has never worked as successfully for Guardiola, otherwise he would have won the Champions League with Bayern or Manchester City long ago.
Tiki-taka only works if you have players who are technically superior to their opponents. For the spectator, holding the ball, as I call it, is just boring and a top team doesn’t really need it.""
Felix fecking Magath calling someone else's football boring is peak levels irony.
Brace yourselves.
It's either going to be Ole is a genius or sack Ole. It's going to be interesting to say the least.
Are we going to pretend that he didn't win the Bundesliga with Wolfsburg playing great football? Is his stint at Fulham his defining career part?
That team was fecking brilliant. 54 league goals between Dzeko and Grafite - madness!
ah Grafite.. thats a name i haven't heard in a while. What was the story with him? had 1 sensational season with Wolfsburg and that was that?
More or less! He only played 5 seasons in Europe - left Wolfsburg for a nice paycheque in the Middle East before retiring to Brazil.
We can sign 50 more players but it won’t change the fact that we are huffing & puffing for vast majority of games and our football is nauseating to watch
Totally agree
Surely a team as big as United practice transitions? It really doesn't look like we confident to pass quickly, every player 2-3 touches then a sideways/backwards but as soon as we play a quick transition to Greenwood suddenly we look amazing, it's baffling!
I thought playing 2 DMs was to avoid situatiions like this.
Why were they dark days? We win trophies with theses managers in the same time as OGS has been here. OGS has won nothing, no tactics, lousy subs, we rely on individual moments of brilliance to win matches.
More his stint at Bayern. I didn't even remember he was at Fulham.
I'm being unfair to him, yes, but he's dour as feck and his coaching philosophy is 'make them run 30 kms uphill every day'
Playing well today
I genuinely believe if we had one player, one player that could stay out wide on the left, and dribble down to the byline and get a ball in, we'd genuinely be a top top team. It's the one flaw we have, way too narrow and we don't attack the flanks and stretch play the way City does. It's one of the most effective ways to break down compact defences. There's Ronaldo and Greenwood in the box that can finish, we just need to get to the byline and get balls into the box.
Someone like Saint-Maximin would be ideal, but I'd even take someone like Adama Traore.
Someone like Saint-Maximin would be ideal, but I'd even take someone like Adama Traore.
Are we?
We simply don't know how to control games
Ye we are, hard game, comfortably the better team in 45 mins of football
We spent 70m on Sancho. Plus have an £100m plus player in Rashford coming back. Moreover, a highly rated young wide player in Armand. What we lack is proper coaching. We have an amazing team. If we get rice next summer, I don’t think no one will have a better team than us.
It's not just sentimentality. It also makes sense.
What's the point in backing a manager to rebuild the team and just as he gets it close to the way he wants it you clear him out and start again with another manager?
If he was underperforming I would understand but he's been doing really well with the squads at his disposal each season.
Everyone agrees he's hugely improved the squad so be thankful for that and let's back him.
We're an absolute mess tactically at the moment.
Thank feck we have such great players up front.
Thank feck we have such great players up front.
Well that's what Sancho is supposed to be. The dribbler. As well as Greenwood on the other side. Martial should be able to do it otherwise get rid.
We need dribblers. Every good side needs dribblers that can carry the ball forward. You can't just pass it forward all the time.
Neither of them are great dribblers. Sancho's technically good on the ball but slow so doesn't take players on from a standing start, whereas Rashford's the opposite in that he's fast but doesn't have great close dribbling. Both are better passers.
It's not going to happen because as you say we've spent £70m on Sancho, but it's the biggest difference for me between the SAF era and the post-SAF eras. Our teams always had pace out wide before. Greenwood's good on the ball but he comes narrow often to try and score.
Yes. We're dominating possession and only went behind because of a hideous deflected goal. We've had the most shots on target in the first half by any team this season, we've hit the post and had Ronaldo clean through on goal. Odd to describe it any other way.
Forgetting the actual results so far this season (positive or negative and including today's, which may well still end up being a win for us), the way we actually play has the same consistent problems directly related to our coaching.
In basic terms our players don't take up the right positions in relation to each other consistently enough for us to have as much control as we should, as our players too often receive the ball in positions where they're isolated and immediately under pressure when they receive the ball. That combined with pre-planned sequences of play seemingly not being as well formed as they could be makes our play slow.
Where we want our players to be able to play quick one and two touch football with teammates in good positions and making almost instaneous pre-drilled movements in relation to each other, we instead get players having to take multiple touches before they can find teammates and delayed, reactive movements in relation to each other.
And then those problems also translate to our ability to defend and deal with transitions too. We're just too loose and scrappy positionally.
In basic terms our players don't take up the right positions in relation to each other consistently enough for us to have as much control as we should, as our players too often receive the ball in positions where they're isolated and immediately under pressure when they receive the ball. That combined with pre-planned sequences of play seemingly not being as well formed as they could be makes our play slow.
Where we want our players to be able to play quick one and two touch football with teammates in good positions and making almost instaneous pre-drilled movements in relation to each other, we instead get players having to take multiple touches before they can find teammates and delayed, reactive movements in relation to each other.
And then those problems also translate to our ability to defend and deal with transitions too. We're just too loose and scrappy positionally.
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There can't be any complaints so far today. Shape has looked excellent, we have created plenty of chances and their goal was another spawny deflection.
West Ham away is going to be tricky this season. Even if we get a point, i'm more encouraged by us playing well and being unlucky as opposed to lucky wins like the Wolves game
West Ham away is going to be tricky this season. Even if we get a point, i'm more encouraged by us playing well and being unlucky as opposed to lucky wins like the Wolves game
Agreed, played well today bar a shaky 5/10mins after the Maguire mistake.
Bingo.
well done, gave me a good laugh there.Whoever sorts out defensive organisation needs to go. Our sheets are always wet.
Granted, it was an unlucky goal today.
Granted, it was an unlucky goal today.