We were a spot kick away from winning a trophy last season, it's not like we are a million miles away.
Individual brilliance, good vibes, astonishing luck, other teams being shit etc etc
Its incredible then, that with so many bad things happening all at once, West Ham weren't even able to work the ball into the box...
Carved open? Mate, they created loads of chances and could easily have scored 5 on another day. The score doesn't reflect how the game went.
From a tiny sample of games, further skewed by the fact that everyone's played different opposition, so I wouldn't rely on this as evidence of anything.
We have had very little chance to devote time to specialised training. Fixture congestion, Euros, international breaks, they all eat up time. This season especially so.
That goes both ways though. For now, things are looking very promising, and the accusations of poor coaching are at direction odds of how we performed compared to other teams.
Oh, to state that you have no clue about what´s going on in training is hardly an emotion. And whether he needed my help our not, you seemingly needed to have it explained to you. But my pleasure, really, so you don´t need to say "thanks".
I am not sure in which period of time you're claiming those improvements (so I'm not disagreeing), but my short answer is since Bruno came here, we've improved our game slightly. We've improved massively on players, that's why you see Varane clearing headers that could cause Lindelof a problem, and on the other end Ronaldo/Greenwood is finishing chances that last season Martial and Rashford would've missed. That's the improvement I see. But in terms of team play, we still move the ball slow, players receiving the pass need to take a good look around to see what options they have and quite often they don't have any, and our midfield still seems to be functional only if McTominay and Fred play there.
If you believe some random tweets will tell you what's happening in the club and in coaching sessions, then you don't need to watch our games - somebody else will tell you what to think.
So does every team. I swear the excuses Ole gets like other managers don't deal with them too.
Klopp and Pep have had a settled side for a few years. They have not been in the process of a squad overhaul.
The Etihad game last year? We dominated that game? They couldn’t get near us and it was hilarious
Pep won things his whole managerial career, so yes, of course he gets the benefit of the doubt when he has a few mishaps.
Why mention Cardiff? Not ignoring it happened, but it was a broken club that nobody could have saved. He should never have taken that job.
Oh, I´ll still watch the games. And if any of them leaves me with any questions about the coaching, I have faith you will be kind enough to share the answers with me.
The one where Martial won a pen that Bruno buried and then Shaw scored a goal? Yeah not what happened, it was an "ugly" win.
Why would I mention Cardiff? What are we just going to ignore part of his history? The team was made worse after his appointment. Just because it's a difficult situation doesn't excuse his failure.
I'm not seeing that at all. We move the ball pretty quickly, and that's reflected in the stats so far this season, in terms of where we've had the ball, how many short passes are being played, possession etc. We're also scoring more goals from open play compared to other teams. Just look at the second penalty claim against WH. Fluid, one touch football. We've been seeing flicks, one-twos and no look passes from the likes of Ronaldo and Bruno. None of it adds up to struggling for options or moving the ball slowly.
Only if we were on equal footing with Liverpool before said investment, which we clearly weren't.
And we've scored the most goals in the league, most goals in open play, and we've level on points with first. You're going to have to try harder.
No, we dominated them and were far the better side
Yeah that Liverpool that capitulated when their best player was out. We're the only ones that rely on individual talent though...
Yes, I'm referring to the last few seasons. We should always be ahead of them now. Our squad and investment is far superior. The only thing worse is our manager.
The point is that final should not have gone to a final spot kick, call it arrogance, call it disrespectful, but we should not have been playing for penalties against a team that finished 7th in La Liga, at least, if we’re as good as some claim us to be.
What stats show it to be untrue, though?
But how many is "last few"? We were actually ahead of them last season. They had the best squad in the league the season before that, and nobody in their right mind expected us to be ahead of them.
Possession, territory, short passing, goals from open play; it all looks very favourable so far. If we were dallying on the ball and struggling for options we wouldn't have significantly less of the ball in our own third compared to Chelsea, for example, or we wouldn't be playing markedly less long balls compared to Liverpool.
And, almost in a direct attempt to illustrate what I was saying a few posts earlier about the need to separate legitimate criticism of the coaching from Twitter babble, in comes Dunk the Lunk to disrupt a perfectly reasonable sequence of posts in order to scream about how Solskjaer - who has improved literally all of our young players in his time here and handled their game time near-immaculately - is too much of a "coward" to toss an 18-year-old with 9 minutes of senior football to date straight into the center of midfield against Premier League opposition.
There's no pleasing some people. City away last season we were by far the better team, and dominated them for most of the match, featuring Martial's best performance of the season (not a high bar, but he was brilliant).
Looking beyond specific instances of bad play (which tbf rely on subjective opinion to a large extent), this is where I'd want to see improvement too. If those underlying expected stats showed our ability to create and restrict chances improving significantly then I'd have fewer concerns about how we function systematically.
No need for that, I was just as happy as anybody we won, but you understand the result of the game doesn't always indicate who was the better team? We were not better against Wolves, yet we won. Young Boys wasn't better than us, we deserved a draw, etc. You're deluding yourself if you think we dominated. Probably because you were happy, but it's still deluded. We barely saw the ball and they created loads.
Since we're talking about xG a few posts above, this is another good use for it - a way to assess how both teams performed in a game without relying on the scoreline.
We’re Manchester United & we haven’t won a trophy since May 2017.
The irony of you saying there's no need for that, and then using the word "deluded" a bunch of times. I'm not talking about Wolves, or Young Boys, and I'm not deluding myself at all.
Haha that's totally out of context and you know it. I'm referring specifically to our best performance away to City since they started existing in 2008, that another poster is trying to downplay to suit their agenda. I'm not debating the thread title, but if you couldn't enjoy us outplaying City on their own turf, as a United fan, then there really is no pleasing you.We’re Manchester United & we haven’t won a trophy since May 2017.
“there’s no pleasing some people”
Have a look more into the "chances" City had to accumulate that xG, they're all really low percentage efforts. They only had 1 chance that was above 0.1 xG, compared to our 4. We created by far the better chances, and limited them to speculative efforts.
