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Ole needs another 2 years and more funds, and hopefully better recruitment. Coaching wise, none of us know exactly goes on
Good points.Players is one thing, but setting up the team to consistently play with two holding midfielders against the likes of West Brom and Shef Utd is not going to win league titles. I have a feeling he is doing it to protect the CB's from being exposed, but then that begs the question why didnt we sign a CB, both are crap
The biggest problem, with regards to the first bit, is that every bloody side in the league have made it their tactic against us to launch crosses in because our keeper is that weak in the air, and has a reputation for being weak in the air so referees avoid giving him the same protection as other keepers, so it just becomes a double punishment.Yeah, it is obvious that against sides whose tactics is launch it to big men up front, you need a goalie who is confident taking crosses. Also if you are going to have a slow CB, you need a quick skillful one next to him. If you do not have wingers, your fullbacks have to be capable of doing that job instead.
Ok, let's see him go to a team that's not already top or around top with endless cash (city)Come on. Pep surely does improve players despite the spending jibes. Sterling, Stones, KDB, just so many tbh
I would have Eddie Howe instantly over Carrick, McKenna and Fletcher.Eddie Howe? Ohhh now I understand the clamour to sack Ole
Didn’t realise it was for coaching staff and not manager sorry, who knows what people want these days.I would have Eddie Howe instantly over Carrick, McKenna and Fletcher.
Didn’t realise it was for coaching staff and not manager sorry, who knows what people want these days.
I wouldn’t mind him as part of the staff maybe
Definitely wanted as manager.Yeah any chance we could get Howe until the end of the season and then reassess options in the summer
So we would go from one manager who got a team relegated, to another manager who got a team relegated?Definitely wanted as manager.
The way they played under LVG was described by Paul scholes as horrible football and by a journalist as 'death by a thousand sideways passes'.This is where I think most people misunderstand fans who believe we’re poorly coached. It’s not a case of being entitled and thinking we should play beautiful football and win everything, it’s simply wanting to watch the team we love and be able to see a vision and plan to believe in.
LVG very very obviously coached that team to play a specific style.
I don't know about others but I think that is a meaningless stat when your team has 70% of possession.Maguire had 110 touches in yesterday's game. More than any other player on the pitch.
Maguire had the second most touches in the opposition's penalty area (6), behind Rashford (7).
That's an indictment. It's inexcusable that having spent most of the game in their half that Maguire was our most prolific passer and almost most prolific attacking threat.
Our xG (expected goals) was 0.47, our second-lowest of this entire season behind only the Arsenal game last month (0.40).
We know enough from what we've watched over the last couple of years that we're showing the exact same issues when it comes to breaking teams down. Either all our players don't listen, are stupid or the coaching is massively missing the mark. Hell it could be all three.Ole needs another 2 years and more funds, and hopefully better recruitment. Coaching wise, none of us know exactly goes on
How is it a meaningless stat when your centreback has the most touches and second most in the opposing penalty box?I don't know about others but I think that is a meaningless stat when your team has 70% of possession.
As far as the 0.47 figure, this just means our forwards are not playing well and Bruno is probably a bit leggy.
Totally agree.How is it a meaningless stat when your centreback has the most touches and second most in the opposing penalty box?
It's a damning stat on the midfield and forwards that our biggest attacking threat of the night is our centreback despite us having 70% of the possession. They were woeful the entire night.
Not necessarily. If most of the possession is in your own half then yes, it's entirely reasonable that switching from side to side will result in Maguire having a lot of the ball.I don't know about others but I think that is a meaningless stat when your team has 70% of possession.
As far as the 0.47 figure, this just means our forwards are not playing well and Bruno is probably a bit leggy.
You are missing the point. That managers need time and that you can't just win league right after you take over the team.Ole is not in the same league as Klopp and never will be and this comparison of their respective times at Utd & Liverpool really needs to stop before gullible people start actually believing it
Every manager spend money. Should every manager get sacked if they don't win the league? I would love to see when 19 managers get sacked last day of season. nd plyers at his disposal? We really need to stop making our team better than it is. We have very good players but we don't have better squad compared to ManCity. That is why they are infront of us.Just seen this now and can't stop laughing. Some of the players at his disposal, the amount of cash he's spent, the likes of VDB on the bench...and you compare it to a firefighter trying to put out a blaze with a bottle of water!? Seriously, you need to take a long hard think about this situation because you're so far of the mark.
Nice try at moving the goalposts, but this has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on your comment or my comment in response. I never mentioned winning the title. Playing good football would be a start, or at least giving me belief that he is getting the most out of this team and will move us in the right direction if we continue to back him to spend. This team is far better than the likes of West Brom, West Ham, Fulham, Crystal Palace, Brighton, Sheffield United etc. And yet they struggle against all these teams and more. You're doing us a huge disservice by trying to lower the bar, you just can't see this.You are missing the point. That managers need time and that you can't just win league right after you take over the team.
Every manager spend money. Should every manager get sacked if they don't win the league? I would love to see when 19 managers get sacked last day of season. nd plyers at his disposal? We really need to stop making our team better than it is. We have very good players but we don't have better squad compared to ManCity. That is why they are infront of us.
Thing with firefighter and bottle was reply to a person in here. You need to have right tools to win things.
How is that relevant to the point though?The way they played under LVG was described by Paul scholes as horrible football and by a journalist as 'death by a thousand sideways passes'.
Thanks. Think I got your point alright.Top logic there. Well done on completely missing the point.
Probably due to being too preoccupied stamping your feet.
Enjoy your dummy of the day award.
100%.There is a bit too much lowering of our standards by some on here to give Ole and his staff the benefit of the doubt. There's only so many excuses you can make for how poor we consistently look in the same type of games.
Maybe but the same applies to the players as well. £200k+ a week players excused because they need to be 'coached' how to be good at playing football.There is a bit too much lowering of our standards by some on here to give Ole and his staff the benefit of the doubt. There's only so many excuses you can make for how poor we consistently look in the same type of games.
Coaching is a massive part of the game though, it can't be understated just how big a difference it can make. You think half of that Liverpool team is looking anywhere close to the level it did the last few years without the management and coaching? It can transform players. It can make the best even better.Maybe but the same applies to the players as well. £200k+ a week players excused because they need to be 'coached' how to be good at playing football.
But the same coaching has them looking pretty average this season, what has changed is the personnel due to injuries.Coaching is a massive part of the game though, it can't be understated just how big a difference it can make. You think half of that Liverpool team is looking anywhere close to the level it did the last few years without the management and coaching? It can transform players. It can make the best even better.
The players are under performing I'd say, but there's a lot more to it than that.
Yeah that is definitely happening with Ole in chargeThere is a bit too much lowering of our standards by some on here to give Ole and his staff the benefit of the doubt. There's only so many excuses you can make for how poor we consistently look in the same type of games.
What goalposts? If you are not talking about winning title, why are you not happy being 2nd? I'm not happy until we win trophies but I understand that this is process and that we will get out title much sooner then people think. If you can't see that we are playing better football than previous few years you just need to go back to where we were. It is not that far. Compare those seasons with this and look at the trajectory. Ofcourse we are better then those teams you mentioned. That is why we are 2nd and they are not. You don't need to look at specific results. Look at the bigger picture.Nice try at moving the goalposts, but this has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on your comment or my comment in response. I never mentioned winning the title. Playing good football would be a start, or at least giving me belief that he is getting the most out of this team and will move us in the right direction if we continue to back him to spend. This team is far better than the likes of West Brom, West Ham, Fulham, Crystal Palace, Brighton, Sheffield United etc. And yet they struggle against all these teams and more. You're doing us a huge disservice by trying to lower the bar, you just can't see this.
You’d get more reasoning debating with a reinforced concrete wall than with 90+5.Nice try at moving the goalposts, but this has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on your comment or my comment in response. I never mentioned winning the title. Playing good football would be a start, or at least giving me belief that he is getting the most out of this team and will move us in the right direction if we continue to back him to spend. This team is far better than the likes of West Brom, West Ham, Fulham, Crystal Palace, Brighton, Sheffield United etc. And yet they struggle against all these teams and more. You're doing us a huge disservice by trying to lower the bar, you just can't see this.
Because I'm not blind or deluded. I can see our football and how we ride our luck too often or rely on certain players like a tactical crutch. I always said that if a manager got us playing genuinely good football and moving in the right direction then I'd give them a chance. I've never felt Ole had delivered the good football. Instead he relies on Bruno, played too much on the counter which is a non progressive tactic in the long run and he sits back like a coward in big games. I'm sorry but I just don't see the progress.What goalposts? If you are not talking about winning title, why are you not happy being 2nd? I'm not happy until we win trophies but I understand that this is process and that we will get out title much sooner then people think. If you can't see that we are playing better football than previous few years you just need to go back to where we were. It is not that far. Compare those seasons with this and look at the trajectory. Ofcourse we are better then those teams you mentioned. That is why we are 2nd and they are not. You don't need to look at specific results. Look at the bigger picture.
I'm not lowering the bar. Just being objective. Why are we putting this kind of pressure on Solskjaer after every draw/lost game but at the same time we are putting Klopp, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Bielsa and few other managers high in the sky? Looking at the table, Solskjaer is infront of all those but still got more criticism than all those together. Last year we were hit by injuries and noone ever mentioned that. But when Klopp lose his CBs there is a river of tears from everybody and excuses are ok? It seems to me that Solskjaer with how he is as a person is easy target for many of people. Both our fans and outside our fanbase.
I understand we all want to win trophies but step by step we are getting there. Next season will be the season where Solskjaer will need to put even more pressure on teams fighting for title. You need to give him time. You need to give managers time.
Everyone goes on about the fullbacks spending but did you see the ones he inherited? Kolarov, Clichy, Zabaleta and Sagna all past it and over the hill. The difference is where we persist with poorer players and don’t look to get them out quickly where as city and their owners have the money to take a loss and go again.Pep can improve any player it's why he's spent almost £200M on full backs.
BS.Ole needs another 2 years and more funds, and hopefully better recruitment. Coaching wise, none of us know exactly goes on
This.Because I'm not blind or deluded. I can see our football and how we ride our luck too often or rely on certain players like a tactical crutch. I always said that if a manager got us playing genuinely good football and moving in the right direction then I'd give them a chance. I've never felt Ole had delivered the good football. Instead he relies on Bruno, played too much on the counter which is a non progressive tactic in the long run and he sits back like a coward in big games. I'm sorry but I just don't see the progress.
I don't think the football is a great deal better for the money spent and the players at our disposal. He's also had some great youth players come in that have genuinely added to the squad. I believe this squad now is capable of better than anything we've seen this season.
And Ole obviously gets more criticism from us because he's our manager. Why would we criticise opposition managers, their own fans are doing it already. The pundits barely speak out against Ole. Id say he's had a pretty easy ride in comparison to other managers in the past actually. Your problem is you can't accept any criticism. You want us all to grin and pretend this is great and be happy that we might compete again one day if we keep spending lads of money and the chips fall our way at some stage.