- Feb 28, 2015
But we're having the same coaches as well.Have a look at my very first post. It was in this very thread and it was a statement about this discussion going nowhere as long as some terms are not commonly defined. So I agree with you. But look at it this way: if the people criticizing our "coaching" with these loose terms are somewhat "faulty" - aren't the ole-defenders as well? And here we are at the point from before: all is just opinions. I agree, calling a thread like that screams for abuse - but let's be real here, at some point in time, it shouldn't bug people too much anymore. And the theme of the thread changed over time. Like our football did... Was it coaching that held us back in January? Or was it the players? We have the same players now as we had back then, that would speak against it. Did the manager had the time to coach? We don't know, maybe, probably not. But he decided to employ Pogba differently a few weeks ago, a player he has at his disposal for a while. And he didn't switch him back into the double pivot. Do you want me to ignore that and just say, "yeah I was just wrong. It was downright idiotic to suggest that there could be issues with the coaching team?" ? I guess no, right... So to me it seems there are things to discuss.
The thing is fans like to think that what they are thinking is always right - but football games aren't won on paper. Our performances in the initial few weeks was horrible but that had more to do with lack of pre-season. Pogba wasn't getting utilized on LW because he was clearly struggling to keep up with the pace of the game - he had COVID, remember?
The problem with your argument here is that I can use the same argument on City as well, and the conclusion you'd reach is that Pep was the one holding them back in the 1st half of the season. The players are the same, but results started getting better from Jan onwards.
Anyways, to the individual brilliance argument, I think we've had this discussion earlier, but even for individual brilliance to shine through, the manager needs to set his tactics up accordingly.
For example- Mou coached our defence so terribly that we managed to see Dave's shot stopping brilliance that season. Ole has set his team such that we see the best of Bruno, Rashford instead of receiving the ball near the 18 yard box receives it closer to touchline and near the final third. What this means is their FB needs to come up to him, which gives Rashford an opportunity to have free space behind him (the space left by this FB) if he manages to dribble past him (which is a strength in his game). Lindelof's straight long balls are being utilized well, Shaw's press resistence is being utilized well and you see passing triangles forming between Rashford, Shaw and Bruno/Pog quite often (bypassing it means a lot of space is there to be exploited).
The thing is if we look at most of our goals, and most of our goal attempts - you'd notice that they were a result of well coordinated moves - slick passing and good movement - rather than us scoring a goal off say a flukey finish. Hell, let's go over the goals vs Roma - 1st was a result of some slick passing and good movement, 2nd was a result of good play and a great pass to Cavani, 3rd was a result of good movement from Cavani to find him free near 6 yard box (and there was some nice passing before that), the penalty was a result of us getting the ball up fast - good run by Rashford and an excellent pass by Shaw. 5th was from a corner IIRC - great pass and good header by Pogba. Last was a result of some good passing and I agree Greenwood got a bit lucky there.
The point is of the 6 goals, each of the goals was repeatable apart from maybe Greenwood's case (even here, the only thing I'd expect is the goalkeeper to do better here). They weren't any Coutinho for Pool bangers where he'd get one in from 40 shots.