We need to make a big statement in the transfer market

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...and no I’m not saying we need to spaff a massive war chest.


At some point we need to say no and miss out on a primary target to send a message that we’re not desperate and we’re not going to be bullied. It’s all well and good saying that we have 3 targets for each position but it seems a bit pointless when we always get tunnel vision and end up pursuing our primary target all summer, eventually paying close to if not the asking price.

We need to call a selling clubs bluff once or twice and leave them with their dick in their hand. I realise that means missing out on a key player or two but our scouting department should ensure that we have a suitable alternative. We should be working much harder to get a reputation of tough negotiators who walk away if they believe the asking price is not reasonable.
Completely agree.

We need to be prepared to walk away sometimes. Our fans won't let us do it without calling Ed this and that unfortunately

But people even on the caf don't seem to quite 'get' the world we are living in now post Coronavirus - we are in a global recession. We aren't owned by sheikhs with unlimited funding. Clubs all over the world will go bankrupt without fans so there will be footballers everywhere on huge wages needing sold. Why would you rush in right now.
 

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To me it's more the statement sent out if we have a lack of transfer activity. If that happens you're starting to see a clear pattern of a lack of ambition every time the club finishes in the top 4 thinking that's already enough. We are still miles from where we want to be, but this summer will be telling if the club have any real ambition to be where the fans want to be.
 

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The biggest and best statement we could make is we won't be held to ransom by clubs who see us a soft touch that will pay fees that other clubs don't have to pay.
Great then our statement end of next season will be no champions league and manager fired because we didn't have the balls to take the next step again.
 

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We can do things others dream of, maybe should have been we dream of doing things others do.

Seems we have been here a few times, not being able to complete swiftly and perhaps only doing one negotiation at a time. Looks at Chelski improving their squad , even Citeh doing business as things drag on under our merchant bank led team.

Yes, we know it’s difficult at the sharp end, but this is a crucial time to improve the squad moving into the CL and challenging in the EPL. lets Hope Ed and Judge actually end up proving that they are competent, the new season is around the corner and a club our size shouldn’t be afraid to act quickly. Maybe the debt servicing and dividends that the Glazers have siphoned from the club are part of the issue.
 

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To me it's more the statement sent out if we have a lack of transfer activity. If that happens you're starting to see a clear pattern of a lack of ambition every time the club finishes in the top 4 thinking that's already enough. We are still miles from where we want to be, but this summer will be telling if the club have any real ambition to be where the fans want to be.
It's not lack of ambition - it's just reality. I don't know how you can blame the club for lack of ambition when they spent upwards of 80m to get our primary CB target even when he is nothing close to that value. They paid Sanchez upwards of 400k to bring him here from Arsenal.

Lack of judgement? Yes. Lack of proper planning? Definitely. Lack of transfer nous and agility? Absolutely. Lack of ambition? Not at all.

In this current situation, when future revenues are uncertain, its impossible to guarantee 60m and above as upfront payment. Cash is king today and every business or entity is hoarding cash to survive. Bankruptcy is a real possibility as working capital has suddenly reduced. It doesn't really matter how far-reaching your brand is or how high your market capitalization is, we need to be prudent with our short term cash management else we will come out of this crisis worse off and then will languish at the bottom for ages.

Right decision by the club to not give in to Dortmund's illogical and anachronistic demands and sticking to their position. Sancho, will awesome, isn't the only player willing to join us and is definitely not worth jeopardizing the future of the club.
 

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Great then our statement end of next season will be no champions league and manager fired because we didn't have the balls to take the next step again.
you mean the wrong step that we continue to take time and again?
 

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It's not lack of ambition - it's just reality. I don't know how you can blame the club for lack of ambition when they spent upwards of 80m to get our primary CB target even when he is nothing close to that value. They paid Sanchez upwards of 400k to bring him here from Arsenal.

Lack of judgement? Yes. Lack of proper planning? Definitely. Lack of transfer nous and agility? Absolutely. Lack of ambition? Not at all.

In this current situation, when future revenues are uncertain, its impossible to guarantee 60m and above as upfront payment. Cash is king today and every business or entity is hoarding cash to survive. Bankruptcy is a real possibility as working capital has suddenly reduced. It doesn't really matter how far-reaching your brand is or how high your market capitalization is, we need to be prudent with our short term cash management else we will come out of this crisis worse off and then will languish at the bottom for ages.

Right decision by the club to not give in to Dortmund's illogical and anachronistic demands and sticking to their position. Sancho, will awesome, isn't the only player willing to join us and is definitely not worth jeopardizing the future of the club.
Great post. We are the only club that other sellers seem to take the mickey out of in terms of demanding unrealistic transfer fees . City with their free money don't suffer fools like us yet everyone knows City have unlimited cash from their owners. We need to apply the brakes on this . I will say its more likely Ole being the sensible one and Woodward is benefiting from that. I think Ole doesn't want to be judged with transfers like Harry Maguire again who lets be honest has not justified his 80 million fee. The direction the club is going now is the right one. We just need to improve our scouting and recruitment which should allow us to pick up potential before it becomes a finished article . For example, getting Sancho before he went to Dortmund, or Getting Halaand before his move. We need an overhaul of our recruitment strategy. Employ seasoned negotiators not Matt Judge.
 
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First two would be incredible I would also like to See VdB . Sancho would be the icing on the cake
Unfortunately, if we sign sancho, I really doubt there will be more than one other signing, and even then, we’ll probably have to sell a few.
Obviously, if we were able to sell smalling, rojo and a couple others quickly, we would have more cash to work with.
It’s fair enough if the club need to be careful with covid, but I hope at least it’s those two or else sancho.
 

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We need to buy a player or two who make a gamechanging difference.

Who they are and how much they cost isn't important, they just have to suit us and do well!
 

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No point “winning” the transfer market if you cant win league titles
 

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Unfortunately, if we sign sancho, I really doubt there will be more than one other signing, and even then, we’ll probably have to sell a few.
Obviously, if we were able to sell smalling, rojo and a couple others quickly, we would have more cash to work with.
It’s fair enough if the club need to be careful with covid, but I hope at least it’s those two or else sancho.
yeah I can't see many others if Sancho does sign . interesting question would we rather Upa and Thiago and possibly VdB or Sancho . I really like Sancho but I think I would prefer those other 3 . anyway lets see how it plays out
 

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Would be better to focus on securing our targets before worrying about how big a name they are.

Within half a season we lose two significant targets to the same club. Maybe Bellingham will be a big loss long term it's hard to know, but Haland's goals are already a significant loss.
 

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It's ok to overpay a little for somebody that matches your needs precisely.
As with Di Maria, Pogba, and good old Sanchez of course.

Getting it right is more than getting it expensive. Maguire is on the expensive side but at least no-one say he is wrong. Bruno is a steal. No-one is irreplaceable except Messi and CR (and ZZ). No player has reached such standard, identify option B or C.

BTW, why can't we identify recruit like Davies or Gnabry? Did BM paid over the odds for them, or doing their research right?
 

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BTW, why can't we identify recruit like Davies or Gnabry? Did BM paid over the odds for them, or doing their research right?
you do realise that Manchester United has had more of its own academy players in its first XI than any other PL team, and for many years?!

Where do you think Greenwood, Rashford, McTominay, Williams, lingard, (Pogba), etc came from? So many more coming through.

It’s impossible to get youth recruitment perfect, but we are one of the very best at it in the global Industry.
 

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The truth about us at the moment is having an extra creator in the team would be beneficial, as well as a better heading presence in defence than Lindelof. Even without those things, we would mount a really good challenge with the team currently constructed if we had better depth. Signing Sancho or Grealish is important for me as I feel it would increase the attacking options we have, but most importantly provide a consistent level of creativity from the flanks that we do not have. Greenwood is young, has been and will be fantastic, but we cannot yet expect consistent matchwinning performances from him. Rashford has occasional dips in form and is not too creative as a player. Having a third quality wide player ( james is good but best as a 4th choice) would keep us safe in the event of an injury to one of our wide men and would guarantee us quality on the flanks even in the event of a dip in form of on of our wide men. For me, its the one area in which we can be caught on offensively. AWB and Shaw need that consistent creative help from the flanks as neither are the best attacking full backs.
 

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you do realise that Manchester United has had more of its own academy players in its first XI than any other PL team, and for many years?!

Where do you think Greenwood, Rashford, McTominay, Williams, lingard, (Pogba), etc came from? So many more coming through.

It’s impossible to get youth recruitment perfect, but we are one of the very best at it in the global Industry.
I am not complaining at our Academy. I am complaining at our Scouting department who can only recommend 50m+ players, but not able to spot Davies or Gnarby. Neither were BM Academy. In fact, they fit into the same category as Salah or KDB. The only jewel that I can think of was Hernandez. And we end up with a bunch of "useless" bench warmers like Dalot, Tosic, or worse, expensive flops. Just 2 players are able to refresh a stale BM.
 

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I am not complaining at our Academy. I am complaining at our Scouting department who can only recommend 50m+ players, but not able to spot Davies or Gnarby. Neither were BM Academy. In fact, they fit into the same category as Salah or KDB. The only jewel that I can think of was Hernandez. And we end up with a bunch of "useless" bench warmers like Dalot, Tosic, or worse, expensive flops. Just 2 players are able to refresh a stale BM.
Yes let's blame the scouting dept who seem to change strategy everytime we have a new manager, rather than the actual managers who are behind that change.
 

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Yes let's blame the scouting dept who seem to change strategy everytime we have a new manager, rather than the actual managers who are behind that change.
No. If we go after a 50-100m player, I am sure the manager must have some input.

But if we are going after a 10-20m nobody is interested player, who is driving it? Beside, do you think the manager KNOW this 10m player in the first place? Ole might have known Haaland back home, might have called the player personally, but this is probably a one-off situation rather than norm. Rafael, Hernandez, Tosic, Obertan - do you think Fergi know them before hand? Who was behind the scene other than scouts.

CR, Nani and Anderson were known to Fergi and the team after a friendly.

The purpose of scouts is not to find 100m player, anyone on this forum can do this job. Scouts are to find us the 10m player before they become 100m.
 

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No point “winning” the transfer market if you cant win league titles
I'd say the team that "wins" the transfer market is the team that strengthens their positions that need strengthening.

We haven't won the transfer market since 2012 in that regard

And the team that "wins" the transfer market, by my definition, is the team that always wins the league the following season.

People wonder why city and Liverpool are so far ahead, its as simple as that. If they have a weakness in the squad, they strengthen it. United don't.

The extra frustration with United is they never identify it either. If we need a defender, the briefs will be that we're not looking at any, then the following season we have a defensive crisis and everyone starts crying out for one. It leaves me scratching my head. Why not just strengthen the positions you need to strengthen? It sounds so simple, but we seem incapable of doing it.
 

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I am not complaining at our Academy. I am complaining at our Scouting department who can only recommend 50m+ players, but not able to spot Davies or Gnarby. Neither were BM Academy. In fact, they fit into the same category as Salah or KDB. The only jewel that I can think of was Hernandez. And we end up with a bunch of "useless" bench warmers like Dalot, Tosic, or worse, expensive flops. Just 2 players are able to refresh a stale BM.
Absolutely agree with this. No body needs a scout to tell you that Sancho is a great talent who costs 120m but you need scouting to find a similar player in Gnabry from arsenal. Ofcourse there will be risk in signing unproven talent but that is the whole purpose of having good scouts. Big signings are needed but you also need to find young players who can be good squad options or even be a starter. How much money Leipzig paid to have upamecano? Look at our squad, not a single option in bench and yet we are unable to find young talents from lesser teams.
 

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Was it just me or was Ole very uncertain when talking about transfers?

Like he's not sure if we're actually going to sign anyone.

The fact that's he's still saying "we need to decide where to improve" is frankly annoying, though.
A full season just passed for management to decipher where the squad needs improvements.
 
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Now the football is finished, at least we have the summer to follow every transfer rumour from every possible source; building up our hopes, only to to have them shattered. Bring it on :D .

If we could somehow get Sancho, that would be fantastic. We need a winger.
A top CB
A top DM
Perhaps another striker, depending on what happens.

That's my dream summer of transfers. The board, especially Woodward, need to deliver and give us a real chance next season.
 

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The way some people discuss the club's finances and ownership structure, you'd think we're owned by the local Coop.

Do you people realise the Glazers are worth billions and are known as one of the biggest investor sharks in the US?

Do you really think we are struggling for money because of Corona? Or is it because they want to keep draining the club after they've done it continuously year-in, year-out.

Wake up and smell coffee and stop talking as if we're owned like the Barcelona of old. We could easily afford to spend big (200m) and be fine financially. But they don't want to and they haven't put in the structure in place to get this football club in the 21st century football-wise.
 

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So Arsenal are getting Gabriel. Chelsea Chillwell and Havertz, City might get Koulibaly.
Dorrtmund are not gonna budge over the price. Payup or move on. There are other holes to fill, why are we wasting time hoping Dortmund back down. This 'we can only work one transfer' at a time is beyond stupid.
 

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Ok. Signing Messi and Ronaldo come back. Just pick one.
 

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The way some people discuss the club's finances and ownership structure, you'd think we're owned by the local Coop.

Do you people realise the Glazers are worth billions and are known as one of the biggest investor sharks in the US?

Do you really think we are struggling for money because of Corona? Or is it because they want to keep draining the club after they've done it continuously year-in, year-out.

Wake up and smell coffee and stop talking as if we're owned like the Barcelona of old. We could easily afford to spend big (200m) and be fine financially. But they don't want to and they haven't put in the structure in place to get this football club in the 21st century football-wise.
True. Pandemic or not, I never feel we're going to spend a war chest in this transfer window. The lack of ambition from the board is pretty evident.

13/14 (1) - 75.33m
14/15 (7) - 146.09m
15/16 (4) - 53.93m
16/17 (5) - 137.75m
17/18 (6) - 152.9m
18/19 (2) - 52.15m
19/20 (6) - 142.02m