I don’t blame Ole for taking the job of course. Anyone would.
This is such a myth used to justify Ole. Ferguson took a decrepit Aberdeen and won three straight league titles and the European Cup Winner’s Cup against Bayern Munich and Real Madrid. Then he won the Super Cup against the reigning European Cup (UCL) champions.
Have you also thought about the other, more probable, outcome? Sentiments can't have a place at this level at this time.
I'm not entirely sure how you reckon it's a problem that our current manager, after less than 6 months in charge, hasn't shown "good signs or a style of play" compared to arguably the two best managers that are still active.
Agreed you're not automatically a 'bad fan', as you put it, to question the amateurish decisions made by the board.
I'll answer based off the bold;
Yes, that's why we appointed Jose Mourinho three years ago.
Neither did Klopp nor Pochettino in 6 months of their appointment so that point isn’t valid. They’ve been at their clubs for 4 years going into their 5th. At this stage nothing is obvious apart from some people want a manager sacked after 6 months, which is embarrassing.
You don’t see it as a problem that we’ve regressed in performances since he took over?
What has Ole shown to justify being the man to guide one of the biggest clubs in the world?? Absolutely nothing. We’ve gone backwards & got worse since he’s taken over.
You know, in the same vein it’s silly to have ”ambition”. The United Way today is apparently to bathe in mediocrity and drape ourselves in nostalgia.
You're telling half the story, either because you have an agenda or because you don't know any better.
Sorry I disagree completely. There wasn’t a long period of improved performances- we had some good results (with an easy fixture list) but we weren’t playing great & what is he trying to achieve? I didn’t see any style of play being developed?
Again, when he first took over we were playing good football. Many agreed, many articles were written how he was bringing back the United way. Here is a selection. You had Neville, Carragher, Scholes fawning over him on TV.
That should never be an excuse for a top team to fall in such form. It’s like only us had injuries and not Spurs, Pool, City, etc..
Pep and Klopp have the players....
Between 22nd December, when he took over, and up until knocking out PSG (6th of march) we had 14 wins, 2 draws and 1 loss, generally playing well, and that's not a long period ? Excellent, surely that must mean that our 2 months with shit results was a short meaningless period.Decent post - and I'm not just writing this because you're a Mod. Time will tell but Ole doesn't have so much.
Let's see if he learns from it. I suspect he will.
That period was just the players happy to prove Mourinho wrong. The players that improved and made the hole team play better were the players that had to prove something. Ole had just arrived and couldn't of possibly managed to transform anything. It was the players trying to prove a point which they did.
Elaborate
That period..In a 3 month period we won 15 matches, lost 3 and had 2 draws. It's somewhat absurd to suggest that all of that was down to players wanting to prove Mourinho wrong, and suddenly they just decided to wing it because Ole was given credit
Our disorganised play is from severely poor tactical sophistication and poor tactical knowledge from the combined coaching staff. It's disappointing that Ole keeps namedropping fitness because it tells me he thinks that's the problem. The problem is he doesn't have a clue how to implement the kind of football Poch, Klopp or Pep play.
You're confusing message with style.
So you think Poch would have turned Cardiff into world beaters? Yeah so he works at Spurs. There's absolutely no guarantee that he'd automatically be a success at United. And history has shown that average managers can come good and great managers can go bad. After 5 years he still hasn't won anything...that's the bottom line! I ask you again, would you be happy with Poch at United if we never won a single trophy in 5 years? People used to say how Moyes had done a great job at Everton for 11 years with he constraints he had there. He was just the perfect fit for them but crap at United.
Pochettino turned up to the PL and succeeded at a lower club in order to earn a shot at a bigger club...
Weird sentence.
Exactly. I cant believe we hired a manager from the Norwegian league. From relegating Cardif and managing in the bloody Tipitepia or whatever its called to the toughest most demanding managers job in the world.
Explain.
I don't think that was 'style' without any rhyme or reason. Look at Spurs game where he more or less played Rashford and Martial out wide, which allowed Lingard and Pogba through middle, he was all over them in the first half. The Arsenal game where he Lukaku stuck to the right and bulldozed them. Adapting to 3 injuries in the Liverpool game and still managing to come out with a draw. etc etc
Fitness will ensure the players have the gas tank to implement a high intensity style fair enough but the big question in my head is still what is the high intensity style being implemented? Without one it's a means without an end. Simply telling players to play harder, run faster and be creative isn't a plan
Which was funnily enough a bit of a coincidence. Spurs initially wanted Van Gaal, he turned them down to join us and Spurs turned their attention to Poch.
Can't believe a manager who had one years experience in the Spanish 4th tier got given one of the toughest most demanding managers jobs in the world.
And dont give me that but we already tried experienced managers and that got us nowhere excuse, you tried the best and they didnt work? you go for even better not Ole.
United hired two of the biggest names in world football at the time....and they both sucked ass big time. So what's your point??
No whats your point? That because 2 experienced managers didn't work out we should go with a totally inexperienced one?
The message was for the players to go out and express themselves, let the opposition worry about our attacking strengths instead of us worrying too much about theirs, that Manchester United should always play attacking football.
What's your point? That just because a manager failed at one club he can't be a success at another. Very convenient to dismiss the LvG and Mourinho appointments to fit your narrative. You'll just have to get used to it. Solskjaer is staying at United and Poch is staying at his beloved Spurs.
