What can we do to boycott the oil clubs?

[TheReligion]

I was a kid, so at the time no.

As time went by I started learning a bit but here's my stance (at the risk of being accused of deflection again). I'm watching the world cup despite how awful it was created, I eat meat despite what happens in making it amoung other things. You may call it simplistic but in my eyes I had a choice to go all straight laced or just carry on with life, for me getting all upset and outraged about one thing while endorsing another isn't an option, hence why I bring up things like this world cup or Milans "sugar daddy" being largely and conviently brushed under the carpet.

Does that make me a bad person? Got a feeling you're about to tell me!

Strangely enough the most genuine person I've ever meet is a Milan fan, would he a bad person in your eyes for supporting them in the Berlusconi era?


And that's exactly why I brought up the Mata and Matic thing.

I was genuinely curious as to whether you/whoever I was talking to thought less of them and didn't cheer them on as hard as the rest because they accepted employment under Roman?

That’s fair enough. Good to see you being honest about it.

I personally wouldn’t want United to be state owned or under an ownership of questionable morals. Would I stop following them though? No. It’s in my blood. That’s said I’d rally for change and support getting rid of them as best I could.

Everyone has their own line and I think we can all be hypocritical to varying degrees. No one is perfect in that sense and it’s much easier to be critical from afar.

In terms of Chelsea I can fully see why many would welcome Roman given the success he’s brought the club and the fun and emotion that comes with it.

We all often put ourselves first especially when the collateral is that far away from us we can’t fully relate.

 

[TheReligion]

You have not provided any evidence that there should be a moral conundrum with having money provided by Roman.

I, in counter, have shown proof the British government lied in its efforts to find a reason to sanction him.

You said he was a criminal, murderer, etc, etc …. But there is no basis for any of that.

In fact he was a Yeltsin guy. The “crimes” Russians (Putin in particular) accused him of was conspiring with Western powers to take what should rightfully belong to the people. Translation: capitalism is evil and the state should re-seize its energy companies…. Which they did. Our intelligence assets had Roman more likely ti be a target of Putin than any sort of Ally.

Just using common sense for a moment, Abramovich was the definition of a globalist. His children are natural born citizens of three different countries. He played a major role in taking the first Russian company (Evraz) global, and made it the first globally traded company founded in Russia. He is, by definition, the natural enemy of everything Putin believes in.

I won’t get in depth into having poison thrown in his face trying to negotiate for the Ukranians, the fact that he’s Ukrainian by birth, not Russian, or the fact that he had cooperated with Western intelligence since before the invasion even began, or even that he was supposedly a fantastically popular owner and that people lived working for him.

Instead just mention ONE thing Chelsea fans should be ashamed —> with proof. One thing. You keep listing atrocious acts “in general” as if they are given.

After that we can start discussing the Glazers WELL documented relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.

That’s a long winded way of not answering what I asked you…

 

[Bluelion7]

That’s a long winded way of not answering what I asked you…

I did answer though. You have not actually asked a question. What, specifically, should I be ashamed of?

In the order of events, if I’m answering if I’m ashamed, I should first get to know of what, right?

If I said “ are you ashamed of the things the Glazers did with Epstein?”

Your first response would and should be “what things?” Should it not?

So it is upon you to provide the question I should answer. And you still haven’t?

And how do you feel about your government officially admitting it lied and broke the law in relation to Abramovich? Now THAT’s a specific question.

 

[Mibabalou]

Nothing.

games gone.



honestly maybe in the west support rebel groups to overthrow the dictatorship monarchy's in the Middle East.

money would all dry up if the people had any say in what they spent it on.
Might end up on watch lists for terror depending on whose definition of the word.

 

[TheReligion]

It seems you still have an issue in renouncing Roman too.

Instead of coming out with lots of excuses and reasons to rationalise it just answer the question.

Did you as a fan have any concerns morally about Abramovich and his money when it came to Chelsea? Did that change during the course of his ownership or was it just a case of turning a blind eye due to the success?

@Bluelion7

Shall await your answers

 

[Karel Podolsky]

The OP missed Sheffield United

 

[Herschel Krustofsky]

Boycott oil, petrol, diesel, baby oil, olive oil

What about oil of Olay?

 

[Orion.]

Get the hippies, students and Socialist Worker to conduct mass protests before the games against the human rights violators.

Oil clubs have killed the game, and the reality is the Super League was very much the lesser of evils compared to genocidal tyrants monopolising leagues.

 

[Bluelion7]

@Bluelion7

Shall await your answers

Just money itself ?

I would be a poor person to ask. We didn’t get access to Premiere league regularly until after Roman was owner. When I started to finally be able to watch football regularly my favorite team historically had been Bayern. But it was still hard to watch and get into Bundesliga then. Now I ca. watch literally anything.

SO…I started getting seriously into Premiere League football. My friends that I watched with regularly said I had to pick a team. There were only 3 or 4 teams whose games were on regularly (and I’d support Bayern if I wanted to support a team I couldnt watch)

They were all United fans. But I have a weird thing: I don’t support teams with Devil mascots. It may seem silly to you, but there it is. Plus I like to be contrary, my favorite color is Blue, and London is o e of my favorite cities.

I considered Arsenal… but I was just sort of drawn to Chelsea. Years later I considered it an ironic sign that I would be forced to cheer against Bayern for Chelsea’s first CL final.

I also liked the “we ain’t got no history” chant because, even in America, your fanbase can be right snobs. I have two Frye ds who got United tattoos to “fit in” with “real” United fans at a pub they go to … and I think it’s ridiculous.

SO… long way of saying I didn’t even know Chelsea prior to Romans ownership. I disagreed with a lot of the things he did philosophically in terms of his ownership style, but I never considered hating him because of where he was from or because he made his money in oil. Oil is a legitimate commodity business, and anti-capitalism seems silly.

Now … if you had a case with Roman like, say, Prince Bin Salman, where we knew he coordinated a murder of an American citizen inside an embassy and had the body chopped into little pieces, would I protest the ownership? Yes.

And if they went through with it I would simply find a different team to support.

But I think the fact that you can come in with money and build or rebuild a team is one of the GREAT things about European football, not a bad thing.

I chose the name Bluelion7 because I didn’t want their to be confusion, like I was pretending to be a United fan, and I wore 7 through college .. not a fan of a particular player, it’s my number.

If you want to know why I care so much at all, well I’ve already stated: to me the actual truth should matter. There were serious job loss issues with one of the first solar energy steel recycling furnace facilities in the world (on Colorado ) because some non Chelsea fans put zero thought into making false accusations against an entire global company, when the Russian owner was already selling.

It seems … and IS malicious.

 

[Herschel Krustofsky]

It's a crude idea and the fans might claim were oil against them, but I think it's quite slick.

I like what you did here, shame it got buried when the handbags started flying

 

[HookedOnAPhelan]

We should've had this conversation when that Russian thug was allowed to take over Chelsea back in 2003, but nobody wanted to because they simply saw it as a way to curb the dominance of SAF's Man United (same reason why the Glazer cnuts were allowed to buy our club with a leveraged buyout).

Now I don't really care too much. We're strong enough financially to come back and compete with the oil clubs if we play our cards half-right. Let the rest of the league reap what they've sowed.

 

[Bluelion7]

We should've had this conversation when that Russian thug was allowed to take over Chelsea back in 2003, but nobody wanted to because they simply saw it as a way to curb the dominance of SAF's Man United (same reason why the Glazer cnuts were allowed to buy our club with a leveraged buyout).

Now I don't really care too much. We're strong enough financially to come back and compete with the oil clubs if we play our cards half-right. Let the rest of the league reap what they've sowed.

So , again, unless you guys are all Greta Thunberg Acolytes and genuinely hate oil … which, if you are holding your plastic phone in your hand replying, and also your plastic remote on the other, while you watch something on your plastic television …. Seems disingenuous, then you are missing the real point.

What you should be arguing against is ownership, even by proxy, of a core cultural institution by a foreign state. Forget the oil… they are a state.. they can just print money. The level of influence and coercion they can exert is MUCH greater than any business, regardless of their product. We have laws prohibiting it here in the states.

So if you really want to change things, stop protesting a commodity, or vague things like “too much money”

And instead focus on the fact that a known murderer of international citizens, a terror sponsor, and member of OPEC+ who just publicly sided with Putin was allowed to buy land and facilities the size of a military complex in the North of England …..

 

[adexkola]

One day I'll finally get the need for Qatar and other Gulf states that are fully embedded in and connected to Western societies (on an economic, cultural, political, military basis) to "sports wash" when the net benefit is more scrutiny on the unsavory parts of their culture and a few club fans who say that they're actually all right.

 

[HookedOnAPhelan]

So , again, unless you guys are all Greta Thunberg Acolytes and genuinely hate oil … which, if you are holding your plastic phone in your hand replying, and also your plastic remote on the other, while you watch something on your plastic television …. Seems disingenuous, then you are missing the real point.

What you should be arguing against is ownership, even by proxy, of a core cultural institution by a foreign state. Forget the oil… they are a state.. they can just print money. The level of influence and coercion they can exert is MUCH greater than any business, regardless of their product. We have laws prohibiting it here in the states.

So if you really want to change things, stop protesting a commodity, or vague things like “too much money”

And instead focus on the fact that a known murderer of international citizens, a terror sponsor, and member of OPEC+ who just publicly sided with Putin was allowed to buy land and facilities the size of a military complex in the North of England …..

Right..

 

[Bluelion7]

Right..

You are correct. Everything I said was right.

The US effectively froze the assets of the Royal Saud family members, revoked passports, and generally made it illegal for Americans to do business with them. Bin Salman himself was exempt from this purely fir diplomatic exchange reasons. The Escalation of hostility of OPEC+ as a newly classified security threat has had only intensified the scrutiny and given us pause to reconsider security agreements.

We wouldn’t let one of Bin Salmans cousins buy a Chevy in the US, much less the Dallas Cowboys ….

THAT should be the issue people have with this.

 

[Galactic]

Start using electric cars?

 

[lefty_jakobz]

Some of the posts in here

 

[tenpoless]

Boycott oil, petrol, diesel, baby oil, olive oil

Try to make him stop using "tiny bit" of olivol.

 

[Denis' cuff]

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commo...FootballClubsInEnglandFinancialSustainability

MPs debate governance and financial sustainability of football clubs in England

 

[horsechoker]

What about oil of Olay?

 

[krazyrobus]

There is sweet f all you can do. The world has always belonged to the rich and always will.

 

[UpWithRivers]

I applaud the op for making this thread and stand in support. I have however no idea what the fk to do about it.

 

[Oranges038]

I applaud the op for making this thread and stand in support. I have however no idea what the fk to do about it.

We could all go around damaging historical works of art, particularly oil paintings. That'll learn'em

 

[Oranges038]

UEFA needs to be fumigated and burned to the ground.

Wash it with petrol and dry it with a match.

 

[SmashedHombre]

Not much. All the clubs will be oil clubs sooner or later.

 

[Lentwood]

Nothing...footballs fans are too tribal and divided to ever do anything for the collective good of the game.

Personally, I just enjoy the game for what it is and luckily I have already seen United win everything there is to win

 

[Hughie77]

Nothing can be done. Premier league left themselves wide open when they allowed the Russians wash there dirty money , even when way back in 2005 they were told about it.
Saudi money Abu Dabi money etc etc that ship has sailed.
FSG have had enough now with Newcastle money City money there off Liverpool up for sale!.
ESL didn't happen so the only way clubs can realistically compete is to throw money in they haven't got or don't want to. American owners are in it to make money. The Arabs are in it to just win. Its hasn't been a fair playing field for 10 years.
City are they popular? I don't think so and they never will be, they win then win again and again, Now in a season or 2 Newcastle will be the same . Makes for a nice Premier league where you can say OK City Newcastle top 2 and then the rest can scrap it out for 2 places??
Can you see Liverpool UTD Chelsea Arsenal Spurs having to put up with maybe CL football now and again!
That's why Uefa will have to extend the CL somehow if they want to keep up the interest in European football.

 

[Gehrman]

One my man utd mates watch City simply to see good football. I watch PSG to see Messi, Mpabbe and Neymar link up. Its just the way of the world now.

 

[studs]

Am I way out on thinking, could Football ever start a war?

 

[dannyrhinos89]

Form a new "super league" where you keep 18 prem teams but don't invite city or Newcastle just let them play each other week in week out.

The other 18 clubs can come to an agreement I'm sure.