What happened to creating a style of play?

[Anustart89]

You can’t implement an attractive, attacking style of play if you don’t have the players, it’s as simple as that

The people comparing us to teams like Bournemouth don’t actually watch teams like Bournemouth regularly

It’s different being Utd, the onus is on us to have the ball and on us to break teams down - we’re not good enough to do that

Why aren't we good enough though? You don't need to have a good squad to be able to coach some fecking patterns into your play. Whenever we get the ball against a settled defence, our player runs five yards with the ball and then turns back as soon as an opponent magically appears in front of him. Then we play it to the player behind or next to us, and then we circulate the ball until we get to a crossing position from where we either cross it for a goal kick or into an area where nobody's attacking it so that the defense can safely head it clear.

 

[redIndianDevil]

He was just saying anything the fans wanted to hear and would lap up.

There's been no indication of this 'style' from last season. Imagine being stupid enough to believe we want to play a 'high pressing' style of football, with a deep defensive and one of the slowest pair of CBs in the league.

Just now I made a similar point, it's pathetic that we call ourselves a pressing team. No pressing team will park the bus or sit so deep to begin with.

 

[Hawks2008]

Run around lots and pass to rashy is a style of play, maybe not a good one but a style nonetheless

 

[BalanceUnAutreJoint]

Guardiola came 4th playing the best football in the league, we will finish 6th playing the most boring football out of the all the big clubs.

 

[Ballache]

What happened to pressing? We don't press. Our defending for that first goal was shambolic.

 

[LoneStar]

You can’t implement an attractive, attacking style of play if you don’t have the players, it’s as simple as that

The people comparing us to teams like Bournemouth don’t actually watch teams like Bournemouth regularly

It’s different being Utd, the onus is on us to have the ball and on us to break teams down - we’re not good enough to do that

Good news is it won't be long before that changes, probably in 2-3 years if we continue this way.

 

[RedAlert27]

It was the exact same last season, struggled to create, didn't have the players to play a pressing game. Teams found it easy to handle us and the only attacking addition we made during the summer was James.

It was obvious this is a team that needed major reinvestment, and it just didn't happen. We simply haven't got the players to play a high pressing game.

 

[Ballist1x]

We have no attacking mindset.

I'd prefer to get banged out 4-3 than lose 1-0 or 2-0.

At least if we tried to score, or when we score if we at least tried to score another rather than sitting right back it would be so much better.

 

[sugar_kane]

We were average today but it is very clear that we weren't playing Jose style counter attack football.

We were for the most part trying to play on the ground, forward passes from the back and quick passing around the opposition box with lots of attempts to cross dangerous balls into the box.

When we could be arsed (Matic...) we were pressing the opponent.

If anything, West Ham were waiting to hit us on the counter (which they very nearly did a few times)

The game plan was there, we just don't have the quality to enact it.

 

[Sky1981]

You cant press if you got the ball.

Any manager can create a template on how they want to play. Problem is we're not playing against AI. Everyone knew ole number. Just give us the ball and we dont know what to do with it, press us on the midfield and counter.

Any manager can create a tactics, easy peasy. Outsmarting the other manager is the hard part

 

[Lentwood]

Pure bollocks. We played defensive football under Mourinho because thats all he knows. We played pointless possession football under LvG cause thats all he knew. We're playing garbage football under Ole because thats all he knows. Most teams in the league are able to conjure up periods of decent football - even the shit teams can create against each other. See Southampton on Friday where they had something like 25 shots against Bournemouth. We simply can't.

I think you are over-estimating the attacking players we had on the field today

Honestly, a front four of Mata, Rashford, Pereira and James....with Matic and McTominay behind them...you wonder why THAT doesn’t translate into free-flowing attacking football?

You realise there are only two clubs in this league who play “free flowing attacking football” on a regular basis? Those two clubs have the following attacking players;

Liverpool - Mane, Salah, Firminho
City - Silva, Sterling, Mahrez, Aguero

I would have thought our fans might have learnt something by now.....it’s nothing to do with who’s sat in the dugout, it’s purely the ability of the players out there on the pitch

 

[Sky1981]

Well, when you have to play Matic, Mata, Young who has already proven they are useless in the new system, and not only are they ageing but pretty much incapable of doing any pressing then the system is of no purpose. If you consider Pereira and Lingard fighting over who is not the most trash and even the thought of Rashford playing as a lone striker is exhausting. You probably should expect to lose any away game on not being able to play your own game due to these circumstances alone.

Only way to create a playing style is if you have the players for it. If you don't have it, you have to figure out some other way. The thing is, we do not have the depth to get through a season playing only the players we want in the system we want. We do not want to spend any more time on getting the best out of our old and worst players, however we actually have to play them due to lack of depth, which leads to this situation.

You need the correct players to play total football. Sticking any professional footballer who can run in the midfield works for our level.

Mct isnt that great, he's just working as intended as every foootballer of epl level should. Run around, press, trap balls, pass.

Any championship midfielder looks more like a proper footballer than our collection of poorly coached deadwoods.

Mata is slow, why play him then. Lingard is shit at attacking, why not tell him to run all day and harrass their midfield just like park ji sung used to do against the mighty barcelona. If you dont have stars, make your team work something else.

When you have a collection of 20 internationally capped footballers you can create anything better than this. The no players for his style excuse is getting lame.

 

[Sandikan]

When we occasionally have Rashy, Lingardinho/James and Martial all fit and in form, the press will work.

When you have today's lineup, you're really just hoping to contain the opposition and knock long ones to the sprint boys.

 

[Womp]

I think you are over-estimating the attacking players we had on the field today

Honestly, a front four of Mata, Rashford, Pereira and James....with Matic and McTominay behind them...you wonder why THAT doesn’t translate into free-flowing attacking football?

You realise there are only two clubs in this league who play “free flowing attacking football” on a regular basis? Those two clubs have the following attacking players;

Liverpool - Mane, Salah, Firminho
City - Silva, Sterling, Mahrez, Aguero

I would have thought our fans might have learnt something by now.....it’s nothing to do with who’s sat in the dugout, it’s purely the ability of the players out there on the pitch

Klopp's Liverpool were playing great football before the investment, he was setting a style. Same with Pep. Bournemouth play attacking football. Norwich play better football than we do.

This nonsense that you need a great squad to play good stuff is rubbish. It comes down to patterns and coaching. You see absolutely zero progress in every aspect of the game with us. Our defence has gotten worse, we can't retain the ball against good teams, players don't pass and move. Everything is fecked. Our squad is by no means a great one, but you need to get rid of your sentimental bias if you think it's not enough to be dominating, playing a good style of football against the likes of Palace, West Ham etc.

 

[el3mel]

What happened to the high press style we were reportedly training on during pre season? What’s worse is that there’s still absolutely no movement in the attacking 3rd which has been plaguing this team for the last 6 years. Why are we not working on any of this?

It was just a myth. Like "Everything was fine last season we were losing due to fitness and preseason will solve this" myth too.

 

[el3mel]

The Klopp that came 8th in his first season and the Guardiola that came 4th?

Use your brain. Every club wants to play “attractive attacking football” but you can’t do that with two plodders at CM, a poor man’s Paolo Wanchope at #9, a lad who flopped at Valencia on one flank, young lad from the Championship on the other and a decrepit old bloke who can’t move as you’re #10

I get sick of these lazy soundbites. “Attacking attractive football” is banded around as if Ole is saying “you know what lads, let’s play ugly, negative sloppy football today”

Klopp reached 2 finals in his first season in which he got the job in October or November after Rodgers got sacked, their squad was crap and without having a summer business. There was an immediate change and improvement in style of play and even results wise they reached 2 finals. Their problem was leaking goals from the back, which they solved later on but his style was getting implanted on the pitch throughout this season and the second one.

We're not asking for results. We're asking for seeing a coherent and obvious style of play on the pitch to show us that there's work being done on the pitch and in training. The reality is there's not. We're fecking clueless and as slow walking as we have ever been. Nothing has changed and you can take any of our current games and compare it to a game of LVG era and you'll hardly notice a difference.

Implanting your style and ideas, being offensive or defensive, isn't a miracle as you and many are making out to be. Ole had had enough time to apply his own style but the problem is he doesn't have any, and it's obvious by just watching our games. Being patient isn't going to change that. Patience is good when there's clear work being done and needs few more reinforcements to make it work fully, not when you're doing absolutely nothing.

 

[Romez]

Klopp reached 2 finals in his first season in which he got the job in October or November after Rodgers got sacked, their squad was crap and without having a summer business. There was an immediate change and improvement in style of play and even results wise they reached 2 finals. Their problem was leaking goals from the back, which they solved later on but his style was getting implanted on the pitch throughout this season and the second one.

We're not asking for results. We're asking for seeing a coherent and obvious style of play on the pitch to show us that there's work being done on the pitch and in training. The reality is there's not. We're fecking clueless and as slow walking as we have ever been. Nothing has changed and you can take any of our current games and compare it to a game of LVG era and you'll hardly notice a difference.

Implanting your style and ideas, being offensive or defensive, isn't a miracle as you and many are making out to be. Ole had had enough time to apply his own style but the problem is he doesn't have any, and it's obvious by just watching our games. Being patient isn't going to change that. Patience is good when there's clear work being done and needs few more reinforcements to make it work fully, not when you're doing absolutely nothing.

Great post.

Specially the last paragraph.

 

[kouroux]

Klopp reached 2 finals in his first season in which he got the job in October or November after Rodgers got sacked, their squad was crap and without having a summer business. There was an immediate change and improvement in style of play and even results wise they reached 2 finals. Their problem was leaking goals from the back, which they solved later on but his style was getting implanted on the pitch throughout this season and the second one.

We're not asking for results. We're asking for seeing a coherent and obvious style of play on the pitch to show us that there's work being done on the pitch and in training. The reality is there's not. We're fecking clueless and as slow walking as we have ever been. Nothing has changed and you can take any of our current games and compare it to a game of LVG era and you'll hardly notice a difference.

Implanting your style and ideas, being offensive or defensive, isn't a miracle as you and many are making out to be. Ole had had enough time to apply his own style but the problem is he doesn't have any, and it's obvious by just watching our games. Being patient isn't going to change that. Patience is good when there's clear work being done and needs few more reinforcements to make it work fully, not when you're doing absolutely nothing.

I can only agree. Besides Klopp and Pep came with pedigree, it is easier to trust them long term than OGS.
This talk about squad quality does my head in, if it is that critical, just don't play Matic and Mata, it'd be a good start

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Klopp reached 2 finals in his first season in which he got the job in October or November after Rodgers got sacked, their squad was crap and without having a summer business. There was an immediate change and improvement in style of play and even results wise they reached 2 finals. Their problem was leaking goals from the back, which they solved later on but his style was getting implanted on the pitch throughout this season and the second one.

We're not asking for results. We're asking for seeing a coherent and obvious style of play on the pitch to show us that there's work being done on the pitch and in training. The reality is there's not. We're fecking clueless and as slow walking as we have ever been. Nothing has changed and you can take any of our current games and compare it to a game of LVG era and you'll hardly notice a difference.

Implanting your style and ideas, being offensive or defensive, isn't a miracle as you and many are making out to be. Ole had had enough time to apply his own style but the problem is he doesn't have any, and it's obvious by just watching our games. Being patient isn't going to change that. Patience is good when there's clear work being done and needs few more reinforcements to make it work fully, not when you're doing absolutely nothing.

Agreed. There's zero improvement on anything. There's no identity. Cluelessness all around.

 

[Castia]

I don’t get why we continuously play a number 10 when we never play through the middle of the park.

we’ve started to do the old play it down the wing at every attempt again, 99%of the time we play down the wings because we’re fecking clueless.

Complete lack of movement to the point of wondering how they’re even professional level players. Seriously zero movement off the ball makes our style one dimensional and so easy to play against.

It’s a complete mess from top to bottom, on and off the pitch. £900m spent.....feck me. Just look at that squad, we’re the biggest joke in world football.

 

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[FootyGirl88]

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Exactly, the style of football should be the same regardless of the players available.

 

[dev1l]

Suddenly everyone over has become expert on tactics and "style of play"...

 

[Ballist1x]

Honestly the Wolves manager has better defined ideas and style of play than we do.

 

[Rendezvous with Ronaldo]

This is complete and utter imaginary bollocks and I think you know that deep down.

No it isn't. But never mind Klopp. There are managers who play progressive football further down the football pyramid with far inferior players, let alone further down the Premiership table. Bournemouth, Swansea and Brighton are 3.

And while Howe has been at Bournemouth for ages and Swansea have a long-term 'philosophy' of that kind of football, Graham Potter at Brighton has neither, and yet plays very attractive football with a set of players who were fairly defensive under Hughton in the seasons before.

I like Ole. I want him to have a lot more time at the club, but the style of football being played it's hard to excuse.

While we're at it, Aston Villa also play attractive football, and they did last season under Dean Smith as well. He took over Steve Bruce's squad, and we all know about Bruce's football.

 

[NinjaFletch]

No it isn't. But never mind Klopp. There are managers who play progressive football further down the football pyramid with far inferior players, let alone further down the Premiership table. Bournemouth, Swansea and Brighton are 3.

And while Howe has been at Brighton for ages and Swansea have a long-term 'philosophy' of that kind of football, Graham Potter at Brighton has neither, and yet plays very attractive football with a set of players who were fairly defensive under Hughton in the seasons before.

I like Ole. I want him to have a lot more time at the club, but the style of football being played it's hard to excuse.

While we're at it, Aston Villa also play attractive football, and they did last season under Dean Smith as well. He took over Steve Bruce's squad, and we all know about Bruce's football.

Nobody is disputing that. What I am disputing is the suggestion that everything was sunshine and roses for both of them and there weren't any growing pains whatsoever as they built towards their style.

Whatever we think about Ole's capacity to eventually get it right, Klopp and Pep provide some evidence that having a little bit of patience if things don't immediately become excellent can be worthwhile.

 

[Infra-red]

The players aren't fit enough to play with a high press. Just wait until Ole gets a full preseason with them, though!

 

[Kush]

Can people stop banging about how Klopp and Pep took ages to produce quality football already? Klopp reached League Cup Final and Europa League Final in his 1st season with a core group of Mignolet, Clyne, Sakho, Skrtel, Milner, Henderson, Lallana, Coutinho and Sturridge. With rest of the 'game-changers' being Danny Ings, Joe Allen, Divock Origi and loads of other shit players. Even with a sub-standard group of players he was playing attractive, attacking football. You could see an identity to his side as to what they were trying to do. To say he finished 8th in his 1st season is being so reductive, given they ditched the PL campaign for deeper runs in Europa and he did all this without buying a single player. Same applies to Pep, his start in 1st season was like 10 straight wins. He just had too many old players to sustain the level of performance with likes of Sagna, Clichy, Zabaleta, Kolarov to pick in defence and Yaya and Fernando in midfield. He still finished 3rd and produced arguably the best football in the division.

It just didn't 'magically' click for them in space of a summer when they got all the players they wanted, the signs of where they were eventually heading were already there.

I'd love to know what identity people see when they watch us play. All the talk about 'pressing' in pre-season and yet we allow Noble to orchestrate play as if he's Xavi Hernandez. Pressing is useless if the team isn't hunting in packs, that's down to coaching. We are a terribly coached team and it shows every time you watch us play. All the excuses about not having Martial and Pogba, wait for them to come back and we'll still see these type of performances.

Klopp's Liverpool were playing great football before the investment, he was setting a style. Same with Pep. Bournemouth play attacking football. Norwich play better football than we do.

This nonsense that you need a great squad to play good stuff is rubbish. It comes down to patterns and coaching. You see absolutely zero progress in every aspect of the game with us. Our defence has gotten worse, we can't retain the ball against good teams, players don't pass and move. Everything is fecked. Our squad is by no means a great one, but you need to get rid of your sentimental bias if you think it's not enough to be dominating, playing a good style of football against the likes of Palace, West Ham etc.

Thank you!

I'd love to know how many 'great' attacking players likes of Norwich and Bournemouth possess. I bet they'd still outplay us when we visit them in their own backyard. So would a number of other mid-table/bottom-table teams in the league.

 

[vanderstar]

I think you are over-estimating the attacking players we had on the field today

Honestly, a front four of Mata, Rashford, Pereira and James....with Matic and McTominay behind them...you wonder why THAT doesn’t translate into free-flowing attacking football?

You realise there are only two clubs in this league who play “free flowing attacking football” on a regular basis? Those two clubs have the following attacking players;

Liverpool - Mane, Salah, Firminho
City - Silva, Sterling, Mahrez, Aguero

I would have thought our fans might have learnt something by now.....it’s nothing to do with who’s sat in the dugout, it’s purely the ability of the players out there on the pitch

And that about sums it up for me. We need a transfer window to improve.

 

[Noc-Z]

When he first came in it looked like he did have a plan and style of play. But as we got injuries he tinkered with it and seems to have lost direction completely. He hasn't settled back into his original approach.

I sympathise because defence aside the squad is horrific. Add injuries to that and it's a monumental task.

We're 8th in the league right now. Looking at the state of our squad isn't that par for the course?

 

[Zoo]

At Old Trafford we play like an away team and on the road we play like a scared team.

 

[RedAlert27]

When he first came in it looked like he did have a plan and style of play. But as we got injuries he tinkered with it and seems to have lost direction completely. He hasn't settled back into his original approach.

I sympathise because defence aside the squad is horrific. Add injuries to that and it's a monumental task.

We're 8th in the league right now. Looking at the state of our squad isn't that par for the course?

I'd say it is par for the course, even with a fit Martial and Pogba. It could be our lowest finish ever. Settle in for a long season.

 

[Volumiza]

Can people stop banging about how Klopp and Pep took ages to produce quality football already? Klopp reached League Cup Final and Europa League Final in his 1st season with a core group of Mignolet, Clyne, Sakho, Skrtel, Milner, Henderson, Lallana, Coutinho and Sturridge. With rest of the 'game-changers' being Danny Ings, Joe Allen, Divock Origi and loads of other shit players. Even with a sub-standard group of players he was playing attractive, attacking football. You could see an identity to his side as to what they were trying to do. To say he finished 8th in his 1st season is being so reductive, given they ditched the PL campaign for deeper runs in Europa and he did all this without buying a single player. Same applies to Pep, his start in 1st season was like 10 straight wins. He just had too many old players to sustain the level of performance with likes of Sagna, Clichy, Zabaleta, Kolarov to pick in defence and Yaya and Fernando in midfield. He still finished 3rd and produced arguably the best football in the division.

Good points perfectly put. This is what good managers can do. They may not win the league or silverware before they've built their full squads but improvements can instantly be seen. Sadly, this isn't the case with Ole.

Raising the fact our squad is crap is true but even so, we should still see signs of training ground work, systems, patterns of play and attack. Nothing. That is all on Ole.

 

[In Rainbows]

Nobody is disputing that. What I am disputing is the suggestion that everything was sunshine and roses for both of them and there weren't any growing pains whatsoever as they built towards their style.

Whatever we think about Ole's capacity to eventually get it right, Klopp and Pep provide some evidence that having a little bit of patience if things don't immediately become excellent can be worthwhile.

Who said everything was sunshine and roses for both of them? Again, posters here aren't asking for results. We're asking for a positive change to our football. Pep and Klopp had that immediately. They didn't have the results, but they never wavered in their desire to play a certain brand of football. Klopp struggled defensively, not in attack. Pep had growing pains in regards to players letting in cheap goals. This led to him being questioned by reporters, commentators on tv thinking he was naive to think he could bring that to the PL, etc... but those criticisms were in regards to results. They weren't critiques in regards to what Pep or Klopp wanted their sides to play. You're conflating the two.

This entire thread is about style, not results. We currently don't have the results or style. So it's not like it's a pick your poison situation.

 

[Enigma_87]

Ole has no style is just some mixture of high pressing, deep defensive line and counter attack. Some of these components doesn’t compute.

He’s a poor manager who doesn’t have the tactical nous to create an identity or to drive us forward.

We will win some games, lose/draw others on the road and eventually finish midtable.

In game and coaching he’s about championship level.

 

[romufc]

Ole has no style is just some mixture of high pressing, deep defensive line and counter attack. Some of these components doesn’t compute.

He’s a poor manager who doesn’t have the tactical nous to create an identity or to drive us forward.

We will win some games, lose/draw others on the road and eventually finish midtable.

In game and coaching he’s about championship level.

I was in the Ole camp and I am not starting to turn. It is clear and obvious Ole is completely out of his depth at United.

We can all say he has not been supported, squad depth etc but it was his choice to send both Lukaku and Sanchez away.

The team can lack quality but they should never lack application, that is what we keep seing from this United team. How are you expecting to break ANY team when you taken 5 touches on the ball get to their final third and pump the ball into the box with no one capable of heading the ball? There is no clever play, no direction.

Even pressing football, do we actually press? We sat back V West Ham let Noble have the ball outside our penalty box for so long.

 

[Kush]

I was in the Ole camp and I am not starting to turn. It is clear and obvious Ole is completely out of his depth at United.

We can all say he has not been supported, squad depth etc but it was his choice to send both Lukaku and Sanchez away.

The team can lack quality but they should never lack application, that is what we keep seing from this United team. How are you expecting to break ANY team when you taken 5 touches on the ball get to their final third and pump the ball into the box with no one capable of heading the ball? There is no clever play, no direction.

Even pressing football, do we actually press? We sat back V West Ham let Noble have the ball outside our penalty box for so long.

Mate, it was only a matter of time. I know Leicester result excited many, but we created absolutely nothing in that game and had to rely on their rookie defender to make a mistake and give us 3 points. Chance creation has been issue for a while, 16 goals in last 17 games certainly paint a picture. The biggest red flag for me was how we produced best football under him as soon as he came in. It was a very busy period with games every 2-3 days and we were playing very well but as more time has passed and he has implement his ideas more the worse we've gotten.

For me, given his ideas in the transfer market and what he says, he'd been a perfect DoF but once again for umpteenth time the board fecked up. It's not gonna be pretty for him. Arsenal and Liverpool are our next 2 home games in the PL. One hasn't won here in 13 years while the other has only won once in a decade. Lose those two and I reckon he'll get the boot. The most terrifying part is I don't even know which (sane) manager would join us in that scenario? I mean the squad is so threadbare you're basically handicapped in midfield/attack before you even step a foot in.

I know folks were happy with the 'deadwood clearout' in the summer but it was naivety on his part. Young players should be integrated in the right atmosphere, you cannot rely on them to win you points week in week out.

 

[romufc]

Mate, it was only a matter of time. I know Leicester result excited many, but we created absolutely nothing in that game and had to rely on their rookie defender to make a mistake and give us 3 points. Chance creation has been issue for a while, 16 goals in last 17 games certainly paint a picture. The biggest red flag for me was how we produced best football under him as soon as he came in. It was a very busy period with games every 2-3 days and we were playing very well but as more time has passed and he has implement his ideas more the worse we've gotten.

For me, given his ideas in the transfer market and what he says, he'd been a perfect DoF but once again for umpteenth time the board fecked up. It's not gonna be pretty for him. Arsenal and Liverpool are our next 2 home games in the PL. One hasn't won here in 13 years while the other has only won once in a decade. Lose those two and I reckon he'll get the boot. The most terrifying part is I don't even know which (sane) manager would join us in that scenario? I mean the squad is so threadbare you're basically handicapped in midfield/attack before you even step a foot in.

I know folks were happy with the 'deadwood clearout' in the summer but it was naivety on his part. Young players should be integrated in the right atmosphere, you cannot rely on them to win you points week in week out.

I agree, I don't think I have been excited a United win in a very long time because they have all been a false sense of hope.

We pass for passing sake and cannot defend as a team. Ole speaks about pressing football, the only time we pressed was in pre season when he could field 2 different teams in each half.

Liverpool front 3 had no pre season and are all firing. We had a very good pre season and are all misfiring.

I think the Liverpool game will be the final game under the Ole reign.

You could call the squad threadbare but there is quality in the squad. We need to be doing alot more than we are.

We are fecked for another year.

 

[Kush]

I agree, I don't think I have been excited a United win in a very long time because they have all been a false sense of hope.

We pass for passing sake and cannot defend as a team. Ole speaks about pressing football, the only time we pressed was in pre season when he could field 2 different teams in each half.

Liverpool front 3 had no pre season and are all firing. We had a very good pre season and are all misfiring.

I think the Liverpool game will be the final game under the Ole reign.

You could call the squad threadbare but there is quality in the squad. We need to be doing alot more than we are.

We are fecked for another year.

I just don't think he has a proper philosophy. He talks in cliches, but whatever buzzword he throws isn't visible on the pitch.

I just don't think we have any obvious replacement either. Maybe Allegri? But he's another who plays negative football. I don't know what to make of our state right now, like Keane said last night 'it makes your head spin'!

 

[Volumiza]

I just don't think he has a proper philosophy. He talks in cliches, but whatever buzzword he throws isn't visible on the pitch.

I hate the whole 'philosophy' thing. It's football. But you're right. I don't hear that many managers talking about this stuff as much as Ole seems to these days but you can clearly see other managers' identity in their teams. Why don't we see that at Utd?