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Thus says Kemo
As a 6? Yes. As a midfielder/player? you are having a laughFabinho was comfortably better
As a 6? Yes. As a midfielder/player? you are having a laughFabinho was comfortably better
Et tu, bro?“Your honour, I can identify adex for you out of a lineup”
6’s are midfielders.As a 6? Yes. As a midfielder/player? you are having a laugh
What period of time are you referring to? But my answer is likely Rodri, Gundogan, Modric easily, I’d also be tempted to thrown the likes of Kroos and Fabinho in there.Between 2020 and 2022? I've seen plenty of such claims around that time, and by people like Michael Cox, and others serious pundits. The analytics people in particular rated him extremely highly
Everything is if you want to. Do debate it then
So who was better? Talking midfielders, not forwards like De Bruyne
Et tu, bro?
6s are a kind of midfielder. Fabinho only brats Kimmich at bring a 6. Kimmich as a deep lying playmaker comfortably bests him in every other aspect. Whilst also being decent as a 66’s are midfielders.
LilienFan wins! (Shaokhan voice)Kimmich: Haha you fired.
Tuchel: Haha you RB.
I agree with you that he's scapegoated to an extent since he's still one of Bayern's best players but the criticism can still be justified in general. After all, Tuchel might have his mistakes but his expertise in tactics is more or less universally accepted. He didn't demand a holding midfielder just because he dislikes Kimmich. And it is also clear that Bayern much more often loses the control over games since Thiago left. Even in Flick's second season, they seemedmuch more vulnerable and it got even worse under Nagelsann. Tuchel stabilized them to an extent but they are still nowhere near as dominant as they used to be. And establishing control is primarily the job of the CMs.I still find it unbelievable that Kimmich is being blamed for every issue at Bayern and Germany.
The same people will comment on other pretty clear problems at Bayern, such as their lack of cover at CB and full back, wingers not playing upto form, but in the end it's all Kimmich's fault they aren't playing well. Hell, people are also saying it hasn't been as bad a season for Bayern, just that Leverkusen have been fantastic, but somehow Kimmich is making them underperform
Same with Germany, glaring issues at full back, no striker, no consistent formation yet its Kimmich's fault.
It's a clear case of scapegoating, being brought about primarily by Tuchel.
The problem with a lot of modern football discourse is that if you aren't one of the best players in the world, you are shite.I mean I think this thread is a bit hyperbole. Kimmich was comfortably world class for a while and a very versatile player, but without Goretzka being his best self anymore Kimmich gets exposed defensively a bit. His "legend" also isn't helped by Germany's crap international performances post 2014 either, as all of those other legends you named had great success for their country as well as their clubs. Is he an all timer? Probably not. But he was very good to great for a solid amount of time and won a treble, it's not like he's a disappointment.