What has actually happened to Joe Hart?

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If we can put aside the small matter of club rivalry and the contrasting way the media have sometimes reported his travails versus those of De Gea, what is going on here do you think?

I don't believe people would dispute that he did have one season worthy of much attention and was deserving of the relief that England might finally have found a reliable keeper, yet was it undue hype or has his confidence/assurance deserted him?

Since the notorious penalty with Pirlo has the decline only worsened or must the rotating CB partnership take its share of the blame, at least in an England context?
 
Joe Hart is finally getting found out, he's always had mistakes in him but it used to go unnoticed but the media. He's still a good keeper, but he's not perfect.
 
Overhyyping and a massive wage rise have probably led to him believing things a bit more. I know from a few people that knock about with him he's nowhere near as down to earth as he was even 2 years ago.
 
The English media were too quick to hype him up, he's not the first keeper to have an outstanding season (which he did 2-3 years ago). Consistency over a few seasons is what sets the top keepers apart from the rest, and he hasn't done that yet.

May I use this opportunity to say that I don't think the press were biased for/against Joe Hart and DDG as much as the Caf made it out to be. The siege mentality on here got a bit too much at times.
 
He started to believe his own ridiculous hype. He had a very good 11/12 season mind you, but even that season you could see that he was nowhere near as good as the media were making him out to be.
 
*Joke about dandruff adverts and looking flakey on the pitch*

And its really hard to understand his mistakes. Its not like he's making similar mistakes each time; it's not one issue which can be easily sorted out. Against Sunderland it was terrible positioning, last night he sort of flapped at it/didn't get his body behind it, against Madrid he seemed to dive under it or didn't anticipate it making it through a defender. Its really weird
 
I hate the hyperbole......

"Hes the best in the world" or "Hes utter shite on a stick"

The real answer is he's neither. He's somewhere in the middle.

On form with a settled defence on front of him hes shown he's more than capable of performing at the highest level, Equally he's capable of switching off at the wrogn time and poor footwork.
 
was overhyped in the first place. Dont get me wrong, I think he is still England's best choice at the moment (though will be interesting to see how Butland gets on in the next few years)

Thought the defending was quite poor last night too. Miller had way too much room to move for the 2nd goal for example
 
Roy Keane called it last year - he thinks he's the best keeper in the world and has believed his own hype.
He is a very good keeper but feck me, the mistakes he makes would make Taibi blush. Not fit to lick de Gea's doughnuts
 
He really needs to sort out his mental issues, when he is on his highest level he is a very good keeper but his mistakes have mostly been down to concentration. Whether that is down to him getting a bit too cocky, i'm not sure. It was funny when people thought that he would be a future England captain, i don't think he is fit for that at all.
 
He was great a couple of years ago and although the odd mistake was ignored by the media, the praise wasn't overly undeserved. But he appears to have a huge ego and seemingly thinks he's entitled to be no1 keeper for City and England. Most of his errors come down to concentration/focus, which is a side-effect from a lax attitude/being unprepared.

I think he'll get back as he matures and realises he has to work harder. Probably after the media inevitably slaughter him when he costs England in a qualifier/the World Cup.
 
I've no idea what's happened to him, but I just thought I'd mention that he has the hair/head combination of Bart Simpson.
 
Needs a Scott Carson or a Robert Green moment to get his head back to its original size. Has the most punchable face I've seen in football.
 
I thought Carson & Green were unfortunate. Not good enough obviously, but they were completely torn down by single mistakes. There's no other position in football that has such a harsh mistake to consequence ratio as a keeper. I've no idea why anyone is one.
 
Probably because its harder to comment on keepers. Less people have much real experience at being in goal so it's tough to judge keepers at short notice. He's probably always made mistakes but as a young keeper you take the positives (big game player, shot stopping, presence) and then realise his faults when you've inevitably set the bar too high for him.

Walcott, Gerrard and Welbeck should've blocked the shot last night, and he should've stopped it. A lot of players burst onto the scene, go through an apparent slump and come back stronger.
 
I think it's a very good question. He was an excellent shot stopper with great reflexes, capable of pulling off outstanding saves. That game against Dortmund was probably in October, and that Madrid game just before. But it seems that since then he's been littered with enormous blunders that even De Gea wasn't making. Honestly now if you asked if I'd swap the two I'd say no. Something's happened with him to affect his confidence/concentration, but I don't know what.
 
Kaos said:
You make it sound like its a tough choice to choose between the two. I wouldn't swap DDG for any keeper in the world.
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It wasn't long ago that it was. It wasn't long ago that many (even on here) were regarding Hart as the best in the world while DDG still had something to prove. The turnaround from the two has been quite remarkable.
 
Had one good season never been great modern day David James way over hyped by British media!
 
I think he's rash in his reactions; as an example: if City are trailing, he's looking to get up the pitch even if there's minutes left.
 
Even though he was overrated and overhyped by the English media, back from around 2010-2012 he was superb for City and for a spell was the best goalkeeper in the league and was starting to gain recognition as a world class goalkeeper who would only get better.

He's really had a poor season or so though. I still think he's an excellent shot stopper and he proved that with some fantastic games last season, however he's starting to make errors way too frequently. Even the best can get away with some, but he's made way too many over the past year or so.

I think a lot of people here are writing him off too quickly though. He's had a poor season, but he's still incredibly young and I expect he'll improve once again now that he's had a very poor season and has been brought back down to Earth. Some goalkeepers can have poor spells and I doubt that his good few seasons were just him in form. He's obviously got quality, and if he can cut out his errors then he's a top goalkeeper.

The fact he still won the Golden Glove last year goes to show that while he was making plenty of errors, it's hardly as if he had an awful season either. More an inconsistent one.
 
He definitely thinks he is better than he is. He had a superb season to be fair when City won the league but before and after has been littered with errors. He is a very good keeper and he is only going to get better. But he was never the best in the world as a lot of English journalists were trying to claim.
 
He was genuinely an excellent keeper in 2011/12. Then last season he was genuinely poor. His key attribute - shot stopping - deserted him. His weakness - distribution - seemed to get even worse.
 
Colin129 said:
I heard someone say on the radio that he has won those Golden Gloves for the last 3 years, I was surprised to find out this was actually true, so he can't be that bad a keeper.

He's on a par with that serial winner Reina now!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League_Golden_Glove
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City benefit from a very good defense in fairness. Zabaleta and Kompany are 2 of the best in the league in their positions, Lescott had a great season when they won the league and nastasic was really good last season. It'd be interesting to see the actual amount of chances Hart had to face in them seasons. I'm not saying he did nothing but it's easy to look at something like that and put all the praise on him when in reality he wasn't the best part about the defense (Zabaleta and Nastasic were far more crucial than him last season for example.)

Hart is a good keeper but he got way over rated I thought, he had a really good season in which he made some mistakes but due to his usual high performances the mistakes didn't really matter (and they tended to win games when he did feck up) last season though he was responsible for dropping some points on his own and that's when it gets noticed more really.

I never like the comparisons to de Gea, it's just a bit weird and comes across as kind of obsessive but compare the 2 and Hart did get an easy ride because of his nationality. If he was a foreign keeper (not just de Gea, any foreign keeper at a top club) he'd of been slated by now. Some of the mistakes he makes are embarrassing.
 
Something seems to have gone in his head, he's making mistakes that a keeper of his talent simply shouldn't be making.

He'll come good I believe, he's got that arrogance/swagger/confidence of a man who will believe in his ability in the face of criticism. That ego might be hurting him at the moment, but it might also be what brings him back. Still young in keeper terms as well.
 
Liam147 said:
It wasn't long ago that it was. It wasn't long ago that many (even on here) were regarding Hart as the best in the world while DDG still had something to prove. The turnaround from the two has been quite remarkable.
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I think many people thought of him as the best keeper in the league during the 11/12 season. Nobody could actually think he's the best keeper in the world at any stage though. Vds was the best keeper in the league till he retired.
 
Cheesy said:
Even though he was overrated and overhyped by the English media, back from around 2010-2012 he was superb for City and for a spell was the best goalkeeper in the league and was starting to gain recognition as a world class goalkeeper who would only get better.

He's really had a poor season or so though. I still think he's an excellent shot stopper and he proved that with some fantastic games last season, however he's starting to make errors way too frequently. Even the best can get away with some, but he's made way too many over the past year or so.

I think a lot of people here are writing him off too quickly though. He's had a poor season, but he's still incredibly young and I expect he'll improve once again now that he's had a very poor season and has been brought back down to Earth. Some goalkeepers can have poor spells and I doubt that his good few seasons were just him in form. He's obviously got quality, and if he can cut out his errors then he's a top goalkeeper.

The fact he still won the Golden Glove last year goes to show that while he was making plenty of errors, it's hardly as if he had an awful season either. More an inconsistent one.
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The fact is Cheesy you put any other top 6 club Gks in goal for City last season and they would have won the Golden gloves Hart had a calamitous season last year with both City and England.
 
Is he still doing that thing where he grins his arse off right after he makes a massive mistake?
 
Lawman said:
The fact is Cheesy you put any other top 6 club Gks in goal for City last season and they would have won the Golden gloves Hart had a calamitous season last year with both City and England.
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I'm not trying to excuse him or anything with it. He undoubtedly did have a very poor season and made a very high number of errors but on his day he was still a strong shot stopper and had some very good games in there too. A lot less than some of his previous seasons though, obviously.
 
Cheesy said:
I'm not trying to excuse him or anything with it. He undoubtedly did have a very poor season and made a very high number of errors but on his day he was still a strong shot stopper and had some very good games in there too. A lot less than some of his previous seasons though, obviously.
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Less is made of his mistakes than other keepers. Gary Neville made an absolute show of DDG when he made what was a relatively minor mistake against Spurs. He made no such issue about Hart all season (from what I saw), even after he made calamitous mistakes like the one against Sunderland.
 
Goalkeeper errors aways get highlighted more, didn't have a good season last time around but still has the game to be one of the best in the league.
Good shot stopper, solid on crosses and has the ideal build, have always thought De Gea was a little lightweight,not that I saw that much of him last season.

Hart is still a good keeper, but not 'Head and Shoulders' above the rest.
 
I think he believed his own hype surrounding him a couple of years ago and he's took the eye off the ball. Far to often.
 
Brophs said:
Is he still doing that thing where he grins his arse off right after he makes a massive mistake?
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That was funny. First few mistakes he arrogantly grinned after them "lol guys that won't happen again".... until they kinda became a common occurrence and they quickly stopped.
 
I think it's obvious that concentration has been a real problem for the last while. Whether that's due to believing his own hype or something else entirely I've no idea.
 
Scrumpet said:
I think it's obvious that concentration has been a real problem for the last while. Whether that's due to believing his own hype or something else entirely I've no idea.
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I think it's more than a lack of concentration to be honest if you look at the Hart thread 2 seasons ago when it was in hyperbole about him a few knowledgable posters were pointing out the mistakes he was making and getting away with. It was only a matter of time before they started costing City and they have. He is England's no1 but that says more about the standard of the other keepers than Hart IMO.
 
With these lapses of his being of some duration Hodgson should have taken a proper look at Fraser Forster John Ruddy, indeed the possibility that his position isn't totally assured could serve as a necessary wakeup call.
 
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