What has Fergie to say?
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Do they have any tactical advice at half time? Do the players perhaps follow it?
Actually Mozza is easily one of the best posters on here and knows far more about football than you (though like everybody else he has his blind spots). From a neutral perspective (believe me Chelsea winning the league is not my idea of fun) I'd agree with him that you approached the game timidly both in terms of team selection and approach.
Unlike you, I have no idea what advice the United players have.
Have you ever played competitive football?
If so, you would know that there are countless occasions when a manager gives you an instruction but you're unable to follow it, either because you're not playing well individually, or as a team, or because the opposition isn't letting you play your game.
If, on the other hand, you've never played competitive football, do us all a favour and bow out of this argument gracefully.
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couldn't agree more. everything he said was true, but the fact is that the fa won't do shite about it. we may even get screwed at home before its all said and done. if we lose this because of the stupid cnuts the fa has hired to officiate, then i'll fecking flip my shit. literally.
Do you think they get tactical advice? Take a guess
Mozza knows football the way a flight-sim spod knows how to fly a plane. Shit-hot on tedious detail but absolutely no feel for the realities of the task.
At half time?
I am guessing, sometimes they do, other times they don't.
Intructions are one thing though, the applications of those instructions is a totally different thing.
I've never claimed a player would follow every instruction nor that they do even when they can, theres a lot going on the pitch and things gets missed, you seem to think nothing Fergie said had an effect on how negatively we played, I can't believe that.
Thank the lord we're getting somewhere, do you think perhaps the instructions in the first half were wrong?
That only applies if United actually set out to play NEGATIVELY.
You keep avoding the question whether you have played football yourself...
How am I supposed to be able to answer that when I have no idea what those instructions were???
They did, you should try watching the match next time
Not to any competitive level
Watch the match then make a guess based on that
I always think one of his shortcomings is that he doesn't seem to hammer out his arguments in the pub and so doesn't get his more suspect views bent into shape - the advantage of this of course is that he's not prone to herd mentality.
You may not be best equipped to answer this but do you think that managers often instruct their teams to go out and play negatively?
Que?
I watched the game. And you couldn't tell whether we sat as deep as we did on purpose or because Chelsea pressed us to do so.
You can tell.
I obviously watched the game.
What I saw was a poor United in the first half, a good Chelsea.
"Today you shall all play negatively. If any of you play positively, you shall be fined."
I'll agree with that.
Think he was at crossroads, Ferguson...he would obviously have taken a bad result here than against Barca.Probably thought his players would make more of a match of it.
No, as I said he'll give each section of the team set of instructions that leads to negativeness (defence sit deep, midfield hang back), he won't tell them straight play negative
You do seem to be able to assume quite a lot...
I doubt no manager, nevermind Sir Alex, tells his back four to sit deep.
More than a few people share the opinion that you're quite a bit of a spastic who knows feck all about football.
Quite a thread. For the record, here's what Ferguson had to say.
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Reading thru this thread has provided me with much mirth. You're getting alot of venom from basically a bunch of muppets accusing someone of knowing nothing about the game despite him displaying with his replies he clearly knows more than the lot of you put together. ironic i think its called.
Listen to him, he's got no axe to grind. And says no word of a lie.
You can feck off as well because the best Fergie had to offer is 'It's the refs fault'.
Plus there are two more injured players in Vidic and Rooney.
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are you talking to me or rio?What do you want fergie to say? we've been playing shit football for the past few weeks and it's completely our fault that we got beat?
I'm sure that will give the team loads of confidence for the next few games, I'm sure fergie knows it was a penalty but he comes out with this stuff all the time to take the pressure off the team, plus it might have some influence on the refs in the rest of our games if he makes out that we're being hard done by.
Fergie knows exactly what he is doing.
Don't be rediculous... I'm referring to you.
What do you want fergie to say? we've been playing shit football for the past few weeks and it's completely our fault that we got beat?
I'm sure that will give the team loads of confidence for the next few games, I'm sure fergie knows it was a penalty but he comes out with this stuff all the time to take the pressure off the team, plus it might have some influence on the refs in the rest of our games if he makes out that we're being hard done by.
Fergie knows exactly what he is doing.
I see your point, but I disagree. I believe that it would be more beneficial to say, 'We got the team selection wrong, in an attempt to have players fresh for Tuesday's CL match.' and 'There will be no more holding back, all of our players need to step up and be ready to perform as a team unit.'
I've been known to bitch'n complain about the refs, but this time it was clearly much more than the ref favoritism.
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Disclaimer: If it helps, I was over zealous with using the word 'cowardly'.
It was my keano moment. I thought you were having a go at rio, I read it as there are two more important players in vidic and rooney.
Aye, he could have took some of the blame with his team selection, but still needs to get the teams confidence up and he always tries to get to the referees and try and get a few decisions going our way.
Could it be possible that the refs are done with Fergie's games with them?
Possibly, a different approach is needed.
Possibly, a different approach is needed.
To be honest i dont think we got the team wrong, just the team picked didnt show up.
What the feck has that got to do with anything? Are you blaming Fergie for the injuries too?
Muppet.
Even the Barca situation wasn't completely evened out as Marquez should have walked and Ronaldo could have had 3 penalties in total. And Saturday Ronaldo was clean through onside when flagged while other decisions weren't in our favour either. Not to mention the 2 games against Roma, Adebyaor hand ball versus Arsenal etc.
Vidic, maybe not ...
But Rooney had a much better chance of not overextending himself, if Tevez had been on the pitch.
Or if Ronaldo had come out at the start of ht.
I could play to 'What If' game from here until the start of the match against Barca, but that isn't going to help anyone.
And that's my whole point... 'It would have been 'End of Story' if Fergie just said 'We got it wrong' -
Blaming the refs leaves the reality of there being a poor selection swept under the rug.
And by the way, it's Mr. Muppet...
Asshole!
