LilyWhiteSpur
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Are you talking in terms of if all games were shown live?They totally wouldn't, as it's armchair fans who would watch, not the people who go to games.
Are you talking in terms of if all games were shown live?They totally wouldn't, as it's armchair fans who would watch, not the people who go to games.
If it were to happen (a big if) it would mean the income per PL club could go from an average of 135 million a season at the moment to almost 1 billion per season. Brighton could buy Mbappe!Wow, that insane money.
That's a bit of a dreadful analogy, as netflix isn't on at the same time as films are released.Did Netflix stop people going to the cinema?
The big difference for the Premier League from this, is that they'd start to see revenue from the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people who are watching their content illegally around the world each weekend.
It would also be infinitely better for the consumer.
Could you imagine. We'd be after average players costing 300m, instead of 80m.If it were to happen (a big if) it would mean the income per PL club could go from an average of 135 million a season at the moment to almost 1 billion per season. Brighton could buy Mbappe!
Agree with this for prem matches, but the EFL clubs are worried that it would hit their gates, it's a fair point, would as many fans go out and watch Forest Green vs Walsall if Man Utd vs Liverpool was on telly at the same time. The smaller clubs absolutely rely on gate receipts to keep themselves afloat.They totally wouldn't, as it's armchair fans who would watch, not the people who go to games.
Yeah but that sounds like a dream than reality. Players earning million per week will be seen as underpaidIf it were to happen (a big if) it would mean the income per PL club could go from an average of 135 million a season at the moment to almost 1 billion per season. Brighton could buy Mbappe!
Yup and we'd probably quite quickly see the first billion pound player! Watch the video though it's quite convincing, one thing it is right about is that football on TV won't be around much longer it will all be streamed, if the PL don't do it directly themselves, techs like Apple FB and Amazon are all waiting in the wingsYeah but that sounds like a dream than reality. Players earning million per week will be seen as underpaid
Hopefully they won't. In India we pay around 2-4 pounds per month and get PL, Bundesliga, Serie A, CL, Europa league, FA cup, league cup on TV. Earlier La liga, Dutch league and French league was also part of the package now its not.Yup and we'd probably quite quickly see the first billion pound player! Watch the video though it's quite convincing, one thing it is right about is that football on TV won't be around much longer it will all be streamed, if the PL don't do it directly themselves, techs like Apple FB and Amazon are all waiting in the wings
Even if it does, I'd gladly travel to the UK once a month to watch Liverpool at home or against a London-based team if seats would become more widely available, and I know countless others who'd do the same in a heartbeat. I bet there's plenty of people who'd immediately fill the void if (PL) attendance drops because of a streaming service.They totally wouldn't, as it's armchair fans who would watch, not the people who go to games.
Some will pay. But most countries broadcaster will probably pays as much as they pay now. Anything more they'll simply says feck you.This is the million dollar question, what happens if PL take all of the rights for themselves and PL can only be watched from their own OTT?
Will you still subscribing to that? or you add another 10-15 quid for PL.
The cinema analogy was poor enough alright, but it's no worse than this stupid kick off times argument.That's a bit of a dreadful analogy, as netflix isn't on at the same time as films are released.
And you can watch films anywhere. not one specific place
I agree with the rest though.
If you could pay say £50 and watch every game of your team, with quality picture and commentary, everyone would do that rather than unreliable streams.
It's interesting, as through Ifollow, you can now watch your lower league club on midweeks, and non saturdays.Agree with this for prem matches, but the EFL clubs are worried that it would hit their gates, it's a fair point, would as many fans go out and watch Forest Green vs Walsall if Man Utd vs Liverpool was on telly at the same time. The smaller clubs absolutely rely on gate receipts to keep themselves afloat.
For the huge clubs, there will always be a massive fan base.Even if it does, I'd gladly travel to the UK once a month to watch Liverpool at home or against a London-based team if seats would become more widely available, and I know countless others who'd do the same in a heartbeat. I bet there's plenty of people who'd immediately fill the void if (PL) attendance drops because of a streaming service.
Perhaps they could do something that would incentivize proper supporters to attend matches. Cheaper prices, larger allocations for standing and singing, etc. to bring back the atmosphere. Pass off all the expenses to streaming users instead so the pigs can eat too.They won’t, not in the UK anyway the clubs would be well against it as gate receipts would suffer.
Not a good example as United vs Liverpool has always and would still be moved to a different time slot. More like would people go and watch so and so in the EFL if United were playing Watford and Liverpool playing Brighton at 3:00pm on some PL streaming service.Agree with this for prem matches, but the EFL clubs are worried that it would hit their gates, it's a fair point, would as many fans go out and watch Forest Green vs Walsall if Man Utd vs Liverpool was on telly at the same time. The smaller clubs absolutely rely on gate receipts to keep themselves afloat.
I dont think they would. Match going fans dont go to games because the games not on television.They won’t, not in the UK anyway the clubs would be well against it as gate receipts would suffer.
The FA wouldn't have to do anything as it would be a PL venture and as I've already said, the PL already has every game being directed, produced and broadcast worldwide. Yes, investment would be needed to bring in all the kit to encode things for a streaming service (consider that for amazon alone, we encode every game in 4khdr, 4k, 1080hdr and 1080. A main and a backup of each. AND it is all done exactly the same at another site. Effectively every game is encoded 16 times! to be sure there is a backup of the backup of the backup just in case)Some will pay. But most countries broadcaster will probably pays as much as they pay now. Anything more they'll simply says feck you.
The fa will need to invest hundreds of milluons in infrastructure to have premflix live across the globe. Do they? It's more than a few server in china streaming content. You'd need backoffice, representative in many countries and the whole 9 yard. I doubt it'll be cheaper.
If it were to happen I wouldn't expect it to be less than £300 for a year. Hell they might even not allow you to unsub like Netflix and stuff do.I've said for years that this should be the way it works.
Get with the times FFS. Scrambling around for streams for free when I'd much rather pay up to £150 quid a year for a solid stream of 3-5 matches each gameweek.
Make it so.
The note here (as I've also directed L1 and L2 games for ifollow) is that its £10 PER GAME to watch. For L1 and L2 football. Yet somehow they get enough people to pay it to make it worthwhile. Why the feck would the PL look at than and go "ahh yeah lets do it for a tenner lads". They know the value of their product. If Newport County can get people paying £10 for one game the PL will want at least double.It's interesting, as through Ifollow, you can now watch your lower league club on midweeks, and non saturdays.
I love it, as I've watched about 6-8 Wycombe games this way this season.
It actually benefits the club, as they can get £8 of the £10 fee, even for aways!
And typically, those nutters who want to travel 200miles each way midweek, will still go.
It could absolutely be a great service, all those old games are available (we play them reguarly) as well as loads of other stuff. Literally the entire channel is PL only. News, Fantasy Football, Soccerbox, review show etc. As I said, most of you watching a stream or just on tv elsewhere in the world are watching the signal leaving my desk.Previous to reading the points set on in this thread by @DBT85, I could never understand why the PL we’re not already doing this. DBT makes good points about the risk involved compared to the current module but I still think the reward outweighs it.
I’ve always imagined a tiered sub system where you could pay for:
Every game would be available to you if you had the full sub so you could watch them right after you finished watching one live, or just on demand like Netflix and there would also be the whole PL back catalogue to keep you interested between games/during international breaks or even in the summer to keep subs going.
- Just your team’s games
- All games
- Single games or match weeks
It would be a great service and I would sign up no hesitation.
Even with their own service illegal streams and iptv will still be huge. Why pay £300 a year if you can pay £40 for a main and backup IPTV that has basically everything from everywhere. People still pirate netflix shows, amazon shows, etc etc.If a game isn't on TV, or if someone doesn't have the right TV package, they're streaming it illegally. If the PL think people are sitting around waiting for Match of the Day to come on to watch their team, they are incredibly disconnected from just how much people want to watch this sport.
They are just tossing money away by not monetizing and legitimising the streaming that is happening. Get in on it. Make it stable and reliable and people will pay what it takes.
Having coverage split between 3 broadcasters is a rip off as well. Cut out the middleman and broadcast your own sport yourself, like the Big 4 American sports are doing and have been for years.
Isn't the NFL on Fox, NBC, CBS and some others too?If a game isn't on TV, or if someone doesn't have the right TV package, they're streaming it illegally. If the PL think people are sitting around waiting for Match of the Day to come on to watch their team, they are incredibly disconnected from just how much people want to watch this sport.
They are just tossing money away by not monetizing and legitimising the streaming that is happening. Get in on it. Make it stable and reliable and people will pay what it takes.
Having coverage split between 3 broadcasters is a rip off as well. Cut out the middleman and broadcast your own sport yourself, like the Big 4 American sports are doing and have been for years.
.....and the American sports still get fans showing up to the stadiums no matter how many live games are on TV. What's more, is the American sports have 2 midweek games and 1 weekend game, generally.If a game isn't on TV, or if someone doesn't have the right TV package, they're streaming it illegally. If the PL think people are sitting around waiting for Match of the Day to come on to watch their team, they are incredibly disconnected from just how much people want to watch this sport.
They are just tossing money away by not monetizing and legitimising the streaming that is happening. Get in on it. Make it stable and reliable and people will pay what it takes.
Having coverage split between 3 broadcasters is a rip off as well. Cut out the middleman and broadcast your own sport yourself, like the Big 4 American sports are doing and have been for years.
I believe games are blacked out within like 80 miles of the stadium, unless it's a sellout. Even though NBA league pass, in the NBA at least. Used to be that way in hand egg but it's been ages since I watched......and the American sports still get fans showing up to the stadiums no matter how many live games are on TV. What's more, is the American sports have 2 midweek games and 1 weekend game, generally.
I'm sure if they had their way all sports and entertainment would be banned from being shown between 3-5pm on a saturday.It would be interesting as it would pit the premiership against the EFL. It's the EFL that worry attendances would suffer if the 3pm blackout wasn't observed. They recently made SkyBet stop streaming Bundesliga and Serie A matches inbetween 3 and 5pm on a Saturday saying it was blatantly flouting the 3pm blackout rule.
I didn't realise it was all football and not just British football that was banned from being televised or streamed at that time. The only match that was ever allowed to be broadcast at 3pm on a Saturday in the UK was the FA Cup final but that's now been moved to 5pm. It's also why the final day of the season when all the matches are played at the same time, they're played on a Sunday to avoid the rule!
I didn't know that if still true. Even with the league pass, they still black it out?I believe games are blacked out within like 80 miles of the stadium, unless it's a sellout. Even though NBA league pass, in the NBA at least. Used to be that way in hand egg but it's been ages since I watched.
Or put another way, while putting on all the games, the clubs are getting a mere 13% of the worldwide revenue from their broadcast!According to the video at the top of this if they sold directly world wide they could theoretically make 24 billion quid a year compared to the 3 billion they make at the moment
They did when I signed up ages ago, unless it's a sellout. Couldn't watch Cavs even though was I in Columbus Ohio! I was literally like 79.5 miles from the stadium. But maybe not anymore.I didn't know that if still true. Even with the league pass, they still black it out?
It would be difficult in England though. At least in America the next NBA team is probably 100 miles away. We have teams that are only a few miles from each other which could create issues.They did when I signed up ages ago, unless it's a sellout. Couldn't watch Cavs even though was I in Columbus Ohio! I was literally like 79.5 miles from the stadium. But maybe not anymore.
My point really was just that blackouts could solve this issue of effecting stadium attendance.
End thread.As someone who works for the PL broadcasting their shit worldwide, they won't do it.
They currently make like £10m per game every game broadcast, shared equally (ish) between clubs. That's just for the UK audience. The numbers that actually watch the games are not that high but it's paid for by every sky/bt subscriber, whether they pay for sports or not.
The PL has its own channel it has for about 6 years. We show the 3pm games on it too. Most of you watching anywhere other than the UK are watching it.
They like the current model because it makes money, contractually, for at least 3 years at a time. Doesn't matter who's winning, doesn't matter who's shit. They get paid regardless. If they decided to do premflix tomorrow it could be online by the start of next season (we already handle all of Amazon's PL coverage and the servers that go with it). The issue they have is they have no guarantee of how much money they'd make. Because subs can go up and down as the season goes.
It certainly wouldn't save you much over what you currentlyhhave to pay for sky or bt, and they'd never allow you to only pay for United games for example.