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I'm yet to see a valid case for social media even existing, it's done nothing but spread bollocks and allow abusers to hide behind an avatar with the handle "westHam4Ever44354"
To be fair, that's also a very tough ask. It's a revenue stream for most of them with sponsored posts and promos.The players need to all leave those platforms in one movement in order to make a powerful symbol
And there it is. Companies use it for advertising and celebs use it as a platform. As long as they make money from it they won't leave and the problem won't go away. Twitter itself has been coded in a way that's made it systematically racist, which is something they're trying to fix but there's no way this issue gets resolved any time soonTo be fair, that's also a very tough ask. It's a revenue stream for most of them with sponsored posts and promos.
Completely agree, they want the numbers. Communities of racists and communities of regular folk, seperated but under the same roof.These platforms couldn’t care less. I used to report racist comments and stopped because I always got a similar generic response. I just tried to report a racist comment on Saka’s Instagram to see if anything has changed, and got this:
Social media platforms solution is to create communities basically. If you don’t like racists, you can block them and not see their stuff. Overtime you will see less and less of them.
Meanwhile, they will see more and more of each other over time and have their own bubble of racist happiness. Same thing happens with antivaxxers, extremist ideologies, and just about any “culture war” out there.
From their perspective, this is perfect. Everyone gets to see a lot more of what they like, spend more time on the platform, no friction is introduced to sign ups and user attraction, and the need for moderation remains low.
Unless there's an advanced technological way of detecting racist posts and people that post them. Players leaving the platforms will only hurt their pockets, which is a tough thing to justify when they're also being racially abused as well.And there it is. Companies use it for advertising and celebs use it as a platform. As long as they make money from it they won't leave and the problem won't go away. Twitter itself has been coded in a way that's made it systematically racist, which is something they're trying to fix but there's no way this issue gets resolved any time soon
Abso-fecking-lutely.Everyone mentioning ideas like making it mandatory to produce ID before you can sign up for an account online are missing the point, plus that is a terrible idea for a number of reasons.
This is a society problem, social media is simply a vessel for these people. Nobody logs on twitter or facebook and suddenly becomes racist.
Yes it makes it easier and more visible, but minorities have been saying for decades just how common racism is, only to be not believed.
Seriously, forcing everyone to produce ID is the worst possible solution that will probably (definitely) harm minorities more than the actual people this idea is supposed to target.
All it does is try to sweep racism under the rug rather than face the uncomfortable truth about it, nor does it try to educate people, and it won't eradicate it either. It will just make people feel better about themselves because they don't have to scroll past it anymore, that way they can convince themselves it doesn't exist again.
If you are not surprised at seeing racial abuse online, then just imagine how prevalent it is in society.
They have the technology now, they just don't want to dedicate the resources towards stopping it because it doesn't affect their share price and new features that increase revenue do.Unless there's an advanced technological way of detecting racist posts and people that post them. Players leaving the platforms will only hurt their pockets, which is a tough thing to justify when they're also being racially abused as well.
Twitter is a cesspool, and they definitely feed on hateful speech, but I shudder at Facebook which has more shit on it for years and nothing has been done with full account profiles and pics to identify hateful people.
And not just for the players. Most players also employ social media managers, social media analysts, profile enhancement specialists...the list goes on. And that's only jobs that are directly linked to social media.To be fair, that's also a very tough ask. It's a revenue stream for most of them with sponsored posts and promos.
How did we not think of that before !?Don't read it?
This is an easy issue to solve I think. Yes the solution lies in attaching real life IDs to the online profile but I think the current proposals are too drastic and social media companies wont accept this. I think the whole thing is solveable using a 3 step process.Unless there's an advanced technological way of detecting racist posts and people that post them. Players leaving the platforms will only hurt their pockets, which is a tough thing to justify when they're also being racially abused as well.
Twitter is a cesspool, and they definitely feed on hateful speech, but I shudder at Facebook which has more shit on it for years and nothing has been done with full account profiles and pics to identify hateful people.
No they won't. Too much money involved. I think CR7 makes about a million dollars for every Instagram post of his or something of that sort.The players need to all leave those platforms in one movement in order to make a powerful symbol
The most depressing prediction as soon as that shoot-out was over was that Saka, Rashford and Sancho would get a plethora of vile racist abuse by keyboard cowards.
This is as horrific as it is predictable and it needs to be stamped out like the virus that it is in society!
For me the only way to correct this is to have full identity authentication so it is no longer ‘Gammon-warrior69’ who’s seen to be abusing these people, but Mark Jones, 24yrs old from Basingstoke.
But of course these are private platforms and so Twitter, Insta and Facebook will come out with the same bullshit PR nonsense and do absolutely feck all!
ConsIf I had to verify my ID for using Facebook, twitter or Instagram and it put an end to those sending monkey emojis and using racial slurs towards young black footballers then sign me up!
Surely the pros of it outweigh the cons?
I get the sentiment but I can think of many cons.If I had to verify my ID for using Facebook, twitter or Instagram and it put an end to those sending monkey emojis and using racial slurs towards young black footballers then sign me up!
Surely the pros of it outweigh the cons?
It’s one of those problems that looks straight forward on the face of it, yet has major challenges no matter which route is taken.The problem is that countries like the USA may not accept it. They could accept political stuff thru the UN in days but anti racism, no. Of course then they have to classify what is racism and get it passed thru the Security Council and the General Assembly. Putting the onus on the platforms it's posted on.
Something's gotta give though. The platforms will never make a move unless a huge of celebrities band togetherNo they won't. Too much money involved. I think CR7 makes about a million dollars for every Instagram post of his or something of that sort.
The platforms and the celebrities (including individuals, clubs, national teams) both make too much money off this. They won't give up. Also many players have social media, marketing and other stuff involved in their contracts. They will need to go back to basic salary pw contracts and don't think either parties will be happy with just that.
Drivers licenseOff topic question to British people: how do you live without ID cards? Do you have passport instead? What do you use for identification? How do you create bank accounts or apply to schools or vote? I couldn’t take an exam in Hungary without showing my ID card. Or everyone just remembers their names and people believe what you say?
If you don’t have one?Drivers license
Passport or provisional drivers licenseIf you don’t have one?
I'll be here all week.How did we not think of that before !?
Hehe oh cmon.Yep. I was going to say trying being racist here and see what happens. It's because the admins and mods care.
Birth certificateIf you don’t have one?
It's not only possible, but rather easy to do. Those platforms can just pull all the flagged posts and run an analysis to get the most common phrases, and then ban / flag / warn or whatever.Am I being a bit too simplistic, but couldn’t you just create an algorithm to detect racist terms/phrases (and any alphanumeric/emoji variants) and prevent them being posted? Have them automatically reported as well. This sort of coding stuff has existed for years.
Similar to how sites stop you signing up with swear words as user names due to graphic language… usually returns a warning message or the sign up button blanks out so you can’t press it
The most depressing prediction as soon as that shoot-out was over was that Saka, Rashford and Sancho would get a plethora of vile racist abuse by keyboard cowards.
This is as horrific as it is predictable and it needs to be stamped out like the virus that it is in society!
For me the only way to correct this is to have full identity authentication so it is no longer ‘Gammon-warrior69’ who’s seen to be abusing these people, but Mark Jones, 24yrs old from Basingstoke.
But of course these are private platforms and so Twitter, Insta and Facebook will come out with the same bullshit PR nonsense and do absolutely feck all!
Should be ID’d to set up an account. Only way it stops. It’s amazing government haven’t forced these tech companies to do this.
exactly. Its a piss easy solution
NO. You are giving 3rd party companies access to hundreds of millions of people's sensitive documents and who knows what they do with that shit. Also what about younger people who don't have ID or those in poorer countries? It then becomes a platform that discriminates like the old voter ID stuff. I dread the idea of companies like facebook (who have been previously exposed) collecting even more sensitive data.It is the only way. Should be done ASAP.
they already do. I have tweeted swear words and it gives me a warning to double check that I actually want to post this as it is a flagged word etcIt's not only possible, but rather easy to do. Those platforms can just pull all the flagged posts and run an analysis to get the most common phrases, and then ban / flag / warn or whatever.
As already mentioned before, the idea to engage people is to separate them into closed circles, grouped by views / opinions.
So basically show racist posts to racists, as long as it's not reported it will fly.
Please offer a valid alternative then.NO. You are giving 3rd party companies access to hundreds of millions of people's sensitive documents and who knows what they do with that shit. Also what about younger people who don't have ID or those in poorer countries? It then becomes a platform that discriminates like the old voter ID stuff. I dread the idea of companies like facebook (who have been previously exposed) collecting even more sensitive data.
If you don’t have a provisional or full license you probably need to reevaluate your life.If you don’t have one?
The hard truth is that there is no easy fix, people need to do some hard work and actively participate in the creation of a society where racism is less prevalent. The mention of using an ID doesn't fix the issue it only hides it while exposing people to even worse threats like identity theft.Please offer a valid alternative then.
Don’t get me wrong, I see no way they’d do it in their current setup, but surely the idea that people can directly message active sportspeople and famous people with no restriction, all with impunity and anonymity is just crazy.
Completely agree, in the current system it couldn’t be workable, because a for-profit 3rd Party could never be trusted with that amount of personal. The worry is that, in a more insidious, back-handed way, they probably have even more info at present!The hard truth is that there is no easy fix, people need to do some hard work and actively participate in the creation of a society where racism is less prevalent. The mention of using an ID doesn't fix the issue it only hides it while exposing people to even worse threats like identity theft.
I don't think that's how it works though? You can only send a message to somebody who you follow.Please offer a valid alternative then.
Don’t get me wrong, I see no way they’d do it in their current setup, but surely the idea that people can directly message active sportspeople and famous people with no restriction, all with impunity and anonymity is just crazy.
You then immediately know who the perpetrator is and can track them down, as you could do with any other crime. Also acts as a deterrent as, say if I was a racist, I’d be more inclined to spout abuse if my name and details weren’t immediately available to authorities.I don't think that's how it works though? You can only send a message to somebody who you follow.
Anybody can tweet about anyone, and I still don't understand why ID solves the whole issue. So you know who tweeted that by name and what's next?
Its not my job. If they paid me maybe I would dedicate some energy to it.Please offer a valid alternative then.
Don’t get me wrong, I see no way they’d do it in their current setup, but surely the idea that people can directly message active sportspeople and famous people with no restriction, all with impunity and anonymity is just crazy.
But your saying our suggestions aren’t possible, so what would your alternative be? If you reject an idea you must surely have an alternate view?Its not my job. If they paid me maybe I would dedicate some energy to it.