Why Maguire and Gomez age are matter in this argument?
We are talking about whether Maguire is good enough to be starting centre back in title winning. We are not talking about who is more talented or who has higher potential.
This 23 years old Gomez level is already good enough to be starting centre back in title winning, that means any centre back at his current level is proven good enough.
The 2018, 2019 Maguire and the current Maguire level is still above this current Gomez level in pecking order of national team, that’s fact not opinion. If you think it’s opinion not fact then explain why Maguire keep playing over Gomez in national team? Don’t just blindly calling fact as opinion.
And you still haven’t explain to me why the backup signings matter in this argument. You can’t just put backup and starting XI signings in the same category just to suit your own argument.
You are talking absolute nonsense. Go back to tour original point which was about if Pep wanted him. I merely pointed out that this is in no way a valid reason to consider him good enough, when you look at his track record with defenders. It is that simple.
If you want to exclude back up signings, then fine. Pep has only ever signed one cenral defender that can be considered a total success under him and that was Pique.
So far that's a 1 in 5 record.
First Choice
Excellent - Pique
Uproven - Laporte & Dias
Rubbish - Benatia & Stones
Backups
Unproven - Ake
Rubbish - Chygrinski, Tasci, Kirchoff, Henrique, Caceres
Is that classified enough for you?
The reference to Gomez matters because you said Maguire has been better than him for years. He's got 4 years on him, Gomez has just completed his first full season for Liverpool.If you looked closely you would see that Gomez only started last season because Matip was injured a lot. Like I said, he was playing in a defence with the best defender in the world, he wasn't the leader of that defence.
That's the point here about Maguire here. He is a good defender, I'm not disputing that, the stats are there for all to see.
Is he good enough to be the main man at the back in a side that wants to win major trophies? In my opinion the answer to that is no. He is supposed to be the leader of the Utd defence. He is the captain. He is also the player that is supposed to be the leader on the pitch, he's not, he's just not a natural leader.