Who do we have to worry about leaving after this seasons done?

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Given that things are not looking up and while we can expect some improvement realistically the chances of us finishing in the top 4 are not really very good. So in addition to all the talk about who we have to buy, don't we have to consider who is going to want to leave and thus have to be replaced?

De Gea - Last season and now this, he looks unhappy and it is affecting his play. How soon till he hears the call to return to Spain? He looks okay playing around with his Spanish speaking buddies in training, but on the pitch he looks miserable.

Rooney - If things keep going as is, no way he can keep his captaincy and when it is pulled from him, will he want out?

Mata - After recent comments by LvG you have to wonder will he be sticking around, whether he wants to leave or LvG just wants him out.

Falcao - No idea if the permanent deal is already in place for next summer, but if it isn't why would he want to stay?

RVP - Getting older, still injury prone, might be looking for one last shot at some titles and it is not going to happen here anytime soon.

This is not even considering players we might just want to bring in some one better to replace them.
 
Maybe some defenders if they keep this up. Only if we get replacements in obviously.
 
I think this team will come good, which in return will keep most of these players happy.

As for the Mata/Rooney/Falcao/RVP situation, there's just no way any of these players will suffer from lack of playtime. All four might not start together, but there are 3 substitutions available per game, not to mention injuries.
 
I'm not disrespecting the thread but this is a lot of ifs and but's. It's too soon to predict top 4 or not and our competitors in Liverpool, Everton and Spurs aren 't exactly pulling up trees either.
 
We've only played 5 games, way too soon to write off a top 4 finish. This team has played 2 full games together, lets give it time. As for De Gea looking miserable, most keepers have a moody expression and playing in front of that group of hospital escapees we call CB's would make any keeper miserable.
 
I think the fact that we are one of the best payers around will mean we will likely hold onto players despite not having top 4 status. The players that will leave will probably do so with the consent of the manager.
 
JustAFan said:
No different from talking about who we will sign in January or next summer.
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I think we need to see how the team shapes up first. We look better attacking and if we somehow manage to get reasonable stable defensively quite soon we have a good chance.
 
I don't see it being a problem. I think we'll struggle to attract players before the ones we have want out, and as we've just seen, we're still an attractive proposition. However, that proposition is dated 'August 2014'.

Fwiw i think this is a hypothetical scenario that will remain just that, i do have faith that we'll come good and finish in the top 4. We signed 6 players, all of whom were intended for the first team, and it's september. Just need to be patient. If we're off the pace in January, i'll start to worry.
 
Well van Persie looks seriously on the wane for a starter, so if he continues in his current poor form over the course of the season, his position at the club might really come under scrutiny let alone the first team. On the otherhand, van Gaal is clearly a huge admirer and seemingly trying to force the issue when it comes to the players form by continuously starting him at the expense of more deserving players like Mata.

That favouritism might cement his place here, but under most managers I would see his chances as 50/50, whether he stays another season or not.
 
Glanville95 said:
Well van Persie looks seriously on the wane for a starter, so if he continues in his current poor form over the course of the season, his position at the club might really come under scrutiny let alone the first team. On the otherhand, van Gaal is clearly a huge admirer and seemingly trying to force the issue when it comes to the players form by continuously starting him at the expense of more deserving players like Mata.

That favouritism might cement his place here, but under most managers I would see his chances as 50/50, whether he stays another season or not.
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I thought his interview yesterday clarified this. If he's favouring anyone it's Rooney by playing him as a number 10 instead of Mata.
 
How does De Gea 'look unhappy' and considering he was our best player last season, it didn't affect his play that much if so did it? RvP can leave if we keep Falcao, selling Mata would just be stupid & Rooney won't be going anywhere.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
I thought his interview yesterday clarified this. If he's favouring anyone it's Rooney by playing him as a number 10 instead of Mata.
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Neither are worthy of favouritism. It does seem leveled at Rooney also, but he is captain, so that is expected to a certain extent. None of our attacking players have been massively impressive this season - di Maria aside - but at least Rooney and Mata have both been very productive in terms of goals and assists and our three forwards should never start matches together whether Rooney requests to play at #10 or not.
 
Glanville95 said:
Neither are worthy of favouritism. It does seem leveled at Rooney also, but he is captain, so that is expected to a certain extent. None of our attacking players have been massively impressive this season - di Maria aside - but at least Rooney and Mata have both been very productive in terms of goals and assists and our three forwards should never start matches together whether Rooney requests to play at #10 or not.
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I don't think it's as black and white as it seems, there will be other factors. We were away from home, Rooney is a safer choice in the number 10 role than Mata who offers little going backwards, Rooney also offers physicality. With him behind what in this formation would be two strikers, they basically pick themselves: RvP and Falcao. Both of whom need games to get match sharp.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
I don't think it's as black and white as it seems, there will be other factors. We were away from home, Rooney is a safer choice in the number 10 role than Mata who offers little going backwards, Rooney also offers physicality. With him behind what in this formation would be two strikers, they basically pick themselves: RvP and Falcao. Both of whom need games to get match sharp.
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Conversely, you could also say that Mata would have offered us more control and fluidity in midfield and subsequently we might have seen the game out better without constantly surrendering possession and being pushed back further and further in our own half. You can convey it either way you want, but as someone else said, essentially, we were playing three #9's in a PL away fixture even if one played the #10 role. It's too unbalanced, even if Rooney would have coped with the intensity far better than Mata.
 
I'd tentatively add Di Maria. If this season tanks for whatever reason, I'd be slightly worried about PSG returning for him. I imagine he thought he'd only be giving up a year of CL when he joined us, and if it looks like being longer, he may become unsettled. As for Rooney, I'd be more worried about him staying than leaving.
 
I hope we get rid of a couple of dead wood
 
Devil may care said:
We've only played 5 games, way too soon to write off a top 4 finish. This team has played 2 full games together, lets give it time. As for De Gea looking miserable, most keepers have a moody expression and playing in front of that group of hospital escapees we call CB's would make any keeper miserable.
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Hospital escapees
 
JustAFan said:
Given that things are not looking up and while we can expect some improvement realistically the chances of us finishing in the top 4 are not really very good. So in addition to all the talk about who we have to buy, don't we have to consider who is going to want to leave and thus have to be replaced?

De Gea - Last season and now this, he looks unhappy and it is affecting his play. How soon till he hears the call to return to Spain? He looks okay playing around with his Spanish speaking buddies in training, but on the pitch he looks miserable.

Rooney - If things keep going as is, no way he can keep his captaincy and when it is pulled from him, will he want out?

Mata - After recent comments by LvG you have to wonder will he be sticking around, whether he wants to leave or LvG just wants him out.

Falcao - No idea if the permanent deal is already in place for next summer, but if it isn't why would he want to stay?

RVP - Getting older, still injury prone, might be looking for one last shot at some titles and it is not going to happen here anytime soon.

This is not even considering players we might just want to bring in some one better to replace them.
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I don't agree with that, right off the bat.
 
People should stop pressing the "panic" button. We will be fine at the end of the season and no one important will leave us. But we will get rid of Cleverley, Anderson, Fletcher and most likely one of our CBs to replace him with a new signing. Maybe Young too. And we will sign Strootman.
 
Only AdM ans DDG. And possibly Mata too. He hasn't been great so far but he is relatively young and can regain his form.
 
I know we lost but fecking hell, people are so negative after a loss. Liverpool lost 3-1 to west ham, got completely out played just the day before, and unlike us they don't have the players to really bring them to the top. Arsenal are awful defensively and have no good striker so there's not much to worry about there either. Not to mention that they don't have any depth at all at the back. We'll be fine and I'd still put us favourites for 3rd, definitely 4th. It's not like last season where you had 4 consistent teams challenge for a long time. I reckon anything over 70 points will get into the champions league this season, and I'm sure we can make a 2 point improvement over last season.

Anyways, I can see mata being sold or leaving. I would say van Persie but I'm not sure because of the Dutch connection with him and Van gaal, he might want to stay even if he's just a squad player. Don't think anyone will really look to leave though.
 
Why is talking about players who might want to leave any worse than talking about us buying players or talking about players we should sell because they are not good enough?



It is just a discussion. If you feel we will get into the top 4 and nobody will leave, great, that is part of the discussion. If you feel we might not get into the top 4 but that still nobody important will want to leave, then great, that is part of the discussion.

As far as not thinking we will get into the top 4, nothing I have seen last season or this season so far points to any kind of top 4 finish. Yes there is still time, but the evidence we have so over the last 43 or so league games suggests we are just not a very good team yet.
 
I would say Young but we all know he will have a blinding pre-season and turn into dog turd once the transfer window is closed
 
Glanville95 said:
Conversely, you could also say that Mata would have offered us more control and fluidity in midfield and subsequently we might have seen the game out better without constantly surrendering possession and being pushed back further and further in our own half. You can convey it either way you want, but as someone else said, essentially, we were playing three #9's in a PL away fixture even if one played the #10 role. It's too unbalanced, even if Rooney would have coped with the intensity far better than Mata.
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You say that, wasn't it Mata that lost possession for the 4th?

I do think playing all three together doesn't work.
 
JustAFan said:
Given that things are not looking up and while we can expect some improvement realistically the chances of us finishing in the top 4 are not really very good. So in addition to all the talk about who we have to buy, don't we have to consider who is going to want to leave and thus have to be replaced?

De Gea - Last season and now this, he looks unhappy and it is affecting his play. How soon till he hears the call to return to Spain? He looks okay playing around with his Spanish speaking buddies in training, but on the pitch he looks miserable.

Rooney - If things keep going as is, no way he can keep his captaincy and when it is pulled from him, will he want out?

Mata - After recent comments by LvG you have to wonder will he be sticking around, whether he wants to leave or LvG just wants him out.

Falcao - No idea if the permanent deal is already in place for next summer, but if it isn't why would he want to stay?

RVP - Getting older, still injury prone, might be looking for one last shot at some titles and it is not going to happen here anytime soon.

This is not even considering players we might just want to bring in some one better to replace them.
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To be fair we probably have a better chance of finishing top 4 this season than last year despite the terrible defence. So realistically we still have a good chance but things have to change soon.
 
If no cl possibly de gea
One of falcao Rvp or rooney won't be here next year is my gut feel
Possibly Mata (but I hope we keep him)
Fellaini if we can find a buyer (cmon MoYeS get a job)
Fletcher is out of contract I think as are cleverly and anderson so I see them going
Powell and or Zaha depending on how their loans go
One of our back up keepers
 
there are only very few players where I´d bother if they leave. DDG, di maria, herrera, shaw, januzaj and to some extend falcao. If anyone else wants out, they are very welcome. Di maria, Herrera and shaw wont leave after one season. No way. Januzaj just renewed his contract. He´ll try to convince lvg at least one more year. Worst thing that could happen is, that he goes on a loan, which would be okayish. I dont think that Falcao stays if we dont end up in the CL, but that wouldnt be a big problem. He is a great player and a nice lad, but there are plenty of alternatives.
DDG pushing for a move to Real would suck, but I doubt that Real is interested in him.

Rooney wont be able to find any club that is willing to pay his wage. RvP is getting old and needs to leave in the next two years anyway. Mata is a luxury player and Di maria is just better than him. Oh. I obviously forgot Anderson. I´d be devastated if he leaves.....someone has to eat all that pie.
 
DDG would be my main fear - his contract is running down I think (unless I've missed an update on his renewal?) and he's much too good to be at a club competing at this level for years on end. Reina of course did do exactly that, but that was because of his wages - is DDG on big enough wages to justify doing that? What might help us here is I'm not sure there's a sufficiently high profile team needing a new goalkeeper, but if Atletico retain their current level then might he want to go back there? If they can't afford him then he can always do a Cleverley and run his contract down with us.

Rooney won't go anywhere - the money he is on and the power he has at the club, it doesn't make sense for him to push to leave. There aren't many clubs capable of matching what we are giving him, and of those that can I doubt they would be willing to pay for Rooney when many seem to have him down as being on the slide.

RVP will need a contract extension soon, but the way he's playing, does he even want a new deal? With his wages the club might be ready to let him go.

Mata I don't think will push to leave, but I wouldn't rule out the club/LVG moving him out for whatever reason.

Falcao we don't know enough about what was said between the relevant parties when the loan was agreed. My guess is that money has been promised and things will progress regardless.

Di Maria won't go - the only side that can afford him just sold him (unless Chelsea go full sugar daddy again? Jose might want him, especially if Hazard leaves).

Honestly I'm not sure the others will be a concern - as in the summer, the issue will be more about getting the likes of Valencia and Young new homes. Anderson will at least be gone, albeit on a free.
 
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Far too early to say we won't get top 4, which is the basis of this whole thread. Liverpool aren't exactly setting the world alight, and both Everton and Tottenham lost this weekend too. Even if we say City, Chelsea and Arsenal will finish in the top 3 (and that's no given with Arsenal) we can still get 4th.

However, regardless of where we finish, I think one of RvP or Falcao could have their last season at United this year.
 
JustAFan said:
Given that things are not looking up and while we can expect some improvement realistically the chances of us finishing in the top 4 are not really very good.
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It's September for Christ sake. If we won yesterday we would have been on the same amount of points as City.

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