Frankly this is sooooo beyond debate.
This is funny. So when Portugal qualified for Euro 2000 and WC 2002 without Ronaldo, how did that happen?
How old are you honestly?
In Euros:
Of course I have a bias, same with everyone else, really, some more than others.
His record was surpassed by someone who held it by scoring all those goals in a single tournament while Ronaldo needed 4-5 Euros to break that record.In Euros:
1 title, another final lost, a golden boot, a silver boot and the new record of most goals scored in the competition surpassing the previous record by more than 50%
Conclusion:
He should have performed better
Let’s examine this a little closer shall we.In Euros:
1 title, another final lost, a golden boot, a silver boot and the new record of most goals scored in the competition surpassing the previous record by more than 50%
Conclusion:
He should have performed better
Yes, fortunately for Ronaldo all european players are horrendous that's why no one did it.
I could be really biased too if I was this dishonest, look:
Ah the old ‘it’s a conspiracy’ argument. Always solid. Yes, that explains why Messi has 3 POTTs and Ronaldo has none. Nothing to do with performances at all. Nada. Zilch.
Right up there with giving him an assist for heading the ball towards goal and someone scoring the rebound after the keeper saved it. That's not an assist, has never been an assist in any universe, and is even less credible that the cheerleader theory. ffs without mentioning that both these guys need quality teammates to help win tournaments. There's no point in being stacked in one position and nowhere else. Di Maria missed one final and got injured in another final, and it effects how the team perform. Now this one he gets to play and surprise he is a great attacking outlet when Brazil are trying to stop Messi and Lautaro.
Ronaldo drones in here have spent literal years flipping and flopping, changing what is the best criteria to use depending on what one Ronaldo was doing better in at the time. Talk utter shite most of the time. Go on twitter, facebook, see the hordes of ultra casuals talking down Messi because he scored against Eibar, when he has more goals against Madrid. The Euros being "stronger" is irrelevant when it has more than twice the number of teams, and Portugal's 2016 win was the flukiest run of utter jam ever seen on Earth, since they finished third in a Group of Life, then played middling Croatia, before they were WC finalists, then Poland, then true world power Wales in the semi. Not to mention not having the constant pressure of the ancient winning past on your shoulders either. No-one thought Portugal were winning anything despite the players in their squad, but people always put that label on Argentina even when they have a patchy team like in 2018. And in 2018, just like in 2007, 2011, 2015, 2016, 2019, Argentina generally lose against the tournament hosts, the tournament winners, or Germany. I do think it’s funny that when Messi hadn’t won an international trophy it was ‘he can’t win an international trophy with Argentina’ and when he won the Copa all of a sudden that was a Mickey Mouse trophy that was far inferior to the Euros and meant nothing. People need to make their minds up.Now that Messi has the trophy in his cabinet, that single black mark is gone, despite the laughably predictable attempts from ConstantlyShiftingTheGoalposts FC to try to keep their guy in the conversation. In terms of achievement overall, they are probably roughly equal, but it would depend on what you prioritise. More medals, more MotM awards, more player of the tournament awards, more final appearances, First player in all football history to win a NT tournament as top scorer, top assister AND Golden Ball, or do you prefer racking up mickey mouse goals against Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia and the utter Z grade trash Euro forwards get to fill their boots with? Go look it up, his "wonderful competitive" NT record is almost HALF against the Gibraltars and Armenias of the world. Bolivia are comfortably the worst team currently in SA and even so they'd be midtable in a Euro qualifier group. People here in Europe don't watch it, so they don't understand it.
People in here will still denigrate SA football, having not watched Argentina get booted up and down the pitch every single match, whilst lauding Ronaldo for this imaginary "yes, but he stood on the sidelines in a really impressive way which somehow translates to something". thing. GTFOH with this tripe.
For what it's worth, Portugal are also currently ranked higher in FIFA's list than Argentina. People keep listing all these forwards like Higuain
Might be harsh but.....so what.
TL;DR = Probably about the same, but Ronaldo fans talk a lot of shite to try to pretend otherwise.
I'm sorry, you're right, it wasn't you that mentioned that, it was the_cliff.
No worries
Sure mate, sure.Yes I do, but no matter how much you try to twist the stats, the fact is 16/24 is much harder than 8/10.
For the record I think Messi is the more complete player. But you've got to be wanking Messi off to make the argument at international level he's been at Ronaldo's level.
If I had told you in 2009, after Messi's Balon D'Or win and his sextuple with Barcelona, that he wouldn't win anything with Argentina until he was 34 years old, you would have called me a crackhead.
This is fair
Because it is exactly that. A micky mouse trophy. Imagine Portugal, Holland, Sweden, Denmark, and x6 North Macedonia in a competition. That is basically Copa America nowadays.
While I do not rate particularly high Messi's World Cup 2014 (I think at best he was the third best player, but probably not even that), and think he was totally dogshit outside of group stage in 2010, and even worse in 2018, he has been better than Ronaldo in that aspect. Ronaldo was quite good in 2006, meh in 2010, worse in 2014, and okay in 2018. Still Messi's 2014 is easily superior to any of Ronaldo's world cup performances.
Its quite easy to make the argument if you actually watch them play football. But by the idiotic references you make to ‘wanking’, I guess this point would go over your head.
I think most people call you a crackhead anyway
Well done for missing the point totally.
a Mickey Mouse trophy that Pele and maradonna could not win
Pele was the player of the tournament in the one he took part in though. If only Cristiano Ronaldo knew how to turn up in a major international tournament to that degree
Pele was the player of the tournament in the one he took part in though. If only Cristiano Ronaldo knew how to turn up in a major international tournament to that degree
The shame
Imagine being the leading scorer (granted most were penalties) and still failing to make the euro starting XI
Don’t forget to mention he played a Majority of his career with Raul meireles and Postiga and Silvestre Varela and Miguel Veloso in his starting team.
Copa América is about as competitive as the nations league. If you are Brasil or Argentina you are obligated to make the final. It’s the league cup of international trophies.
Considering Messi has been in direct competition with Ronaldo his whole career that makes no sense how Messi is 3 and Ronaldo is 8.
And the most iconic moment for Messi was his invisible performance plus missing sitter in Copa final.
And yet Brazil made the final just twice in the last ten years.
we have also seen Ronaldo, and he was Gerd Muller
Messi didn’t actually contribute much in Copa final either, he has been largely invisible for over 80 mins of game, and his only notable “appearance” was missing an one on one sitter.to be fair he didn't actually contribute much in the final and was basically out after 17 minutes...he might deserve a cheerleader medal but surely that's it???
It's a toss of a coin as Messi has got his team to 4 finals, which he might have won all 4 if he had better support or team.
But then i'm nearly always going to favour Messi over Ronaldo in most of these debates
Yeah that's great and all but their mins per goal contribution (goal/assist) in international football is exactly the same. If you remove friendlies and focus on competitive international matches it actually favours Ronaldo hugely. 98.2 mins per goal/assist for Ronaldo and 119.3 for Messi.
