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Moyes attempted to. He was terrible at it, and everything else, but he attempted to attack.
I wouldn't go that far about Mourinho, one thing I do wonder about is whether or not we have any leader/warrior types in our team outside of DDG, Valencia and perhaps a few midfielders which I don't see so much. I see more people flopping arms a la early Ronaldo and otherwise looking with outstretched arms at referees than I do players psyching each other up and looking determined/angry. I like an angry team!he's already instilled a winning mentality at the club and will leave 11 warriors with the right attitude for next guy to work with.
Matic, lukaku, Bailly, Sanchez - They will all be important and in a first XI of a proper Jose team going forward. The likes of M-Savic and whoever we get in the summer will add more Jose type players.I wouldn't go that far about Mourinho, one thing I do wonder about is whether or not we have any leader/warrior types in our team outside of DDG, Valencia and perhaps a few midfielders which I don't see so much. I see more people flopping arms a la early Ronaldo and otherwise looking with outstretched arms at referees than I do players psyching each other up and looking determined/angry. I like an angry team!
The attitude is what looks like part of the problemhe's already instilled a winning mentality at the club and will leave 11 warriors with the right attitude for next guy to work with.
This, this, and this. Exactly sums up my feelings.A depressing discussion. It has to be Mourinho for obvious reasons, but there’s little guile or strategy to it. LVG seemingly had a plan but the execution was hopeless, with the exception of Spring 2015. I’ve pretty much erased the Moyes season from my mind so can’t really comment.
In the last game couple of games perhaps when the squad players got a run and where the matches are no longer significant. We still look disjointed as Jose is still trying to mold a team in his image but still hasn't got enough of the players he likes. M-Savic instead of Fellaini and Herrera will be a huge upgrade. Jerome Boateng instead of Smalling another upgrade. So I just get the feeling next season we'll start to be feared in Europe again and we'll look far more balancedThe attitude is what looks like part of the problem
Have we had a lot of 0-0s? I posted stats the other day but we've scored 2 or more on more occasions than some of our very best seasons.Mourinho easily.
We were great at the start of the season, and we've scored plenty of goals compared to LVG's seasons.
Yes we got a lot of 0-0 but most games had shots at least. I remember LVG got to a point where we had to cheer shots because even that was a rarity.
Moyes watched the team play some attacking football too but we probably could've played better with that team without a manager.
I agree with you, and will probably be call deluded. His philosophy very much relies on "the right players in the right positions" as you say. I liked how he knew exactly what he wanted out of a player in each position. This could stifle creativity, but he also needed a couple of highly creative, attacking players who could open up the defenses, which we largely lacked. All his players needed to be technical too, but that was near impossible with our squad. His defensive record was quite impressive though. At least that part of his philosophy was figured out.I think I am in a minority of one but I actually quite liked LVGs football. I could see what he was trying to achieve and I think given the right players in the right positions it might have worked. Certainly our results and performances against the top teams where fantastic
I do realise it was horrendously dull at times, believe me I sat in the East Stand throughout that season and didn't see a goal go in at my end for ten games!
LVG's transfer record was an absolute shambles and a disaster for the club. I shudder at the thought of granting him "quite a few more" opportunities to feck us up even more.I think LVG needed years to properly implement his philosphy with a quite a few transfer windows, and we all ran out of patience
Jose had somehat of a similar spell during Chelsea, Liverpool, Crystal Palace and ManCityThe best period of football post Fergie came under LVG during that 3 match run vs Spurs, Liverpool and City. We also played very well in the loss to Chelsea at Stamford bridge shortly after that where Jose parked the bus at home n got a 1-0 win..
I guess you don't remember these games then ? Instead of just listing results, I think you should rewatch these matches if you want to talk about having "more balls". Good luck!LVG for all his pragmatism had more balls in the big games. Under him we beat City 4-2 and 0-1, Arsenal 3-2 and 1-2, Liverpool 3-0, 1-2 and 0-1, Spurs 3-0, Everton 0-3. All the games we scored 3 or more in were very impressive from an attacking point of view.
I remember those games and I still have them recorded. You shouldn't assume im just 'listing results'. We showed a bit more attacking freedom in those games than we have in the big games under Mourinho save for the first 20 or so minutes of the 1-3 Arsenal win. Liverpool came hard after we went 2-0 up but we put them to the sword on our path to those goalsI guess you don't remember these games then ? Instead of just listing results, I think you should rewatch these matches if you want to talk about having "more balls". Good luck!
We pretty much parked the bus when we defeated Arsenal 2-1, Liverpool 3-0 and 1-0. Also the 1-0 win against City was a very dull and pathetic game. Good that you have them recorded so go and watch them again then. Won't take time!I remember those games and I still have them recorded. You shouldn't assume im just 'listing results'. We showed more attacking freedom in those games than we have in the big games under Mourinho save for the first 20 or so minutes of the 1-3 Arsenal win.
I guess that's why I specifically mentioned the games in which we scored 3 or moreWe pretty much parked the bus when we defeated Arsenal 2-1, Liverpool 3-0 and 1-0. Also the 1-0 win against City was a very dull and pathetic game. Good that you have them recorded so go and watch them again then. Won't take time!
Then why are you listing all the results as a whole ? It doesn't make sense.I guess that's why I specifically mentioned the games in which we scored 3 or more
Total selective memory. When we scored under LVG it was often a miracle.We played more entertaining football under LVG. The football under Mourinho is the dullest I've ever seen. We're the dullest side in the Premier League.
Don't be silly. I mentioned top 6 sides. Spurs finished above Liverpool that season. I mentioned Everton because even though we have a great record against them in general they have always been a tough nut to crack at Goodison park and in recent seasons before our 0-3 win they beat us quite a few times. You wont be swayed because you've made your mind up about LVG anyway despite him getting better results against the top teams and playing more attacking football against them in the bigger wins. No point debating it. BTW the 1-2 win against Liverpool was a very good attacking showing. We should've beat them by more and the score flattered them. Thats when Mata scored his wonder goal against them.Then why are you listing all the results as a whole ? It doesn't make sense.
The only good big games showing under LVG were Juanfield, 4-2 derby and Arsenal 3-2. Spurs weren't even considered a big name at this 2014/2015 season. They weren't close at finishing top 4 at all and I don't know why you mentioned Everton in the contest.
The 1-0 derby, Arsenal 2-1, Liverpool 3-0 and 1-0 were all pretty terrible game and can't be described by anything bar dull/parking bus and not even a good one as De Gea was bailing us out. We also lost to Arsenal, Spurs and Everton all 3-0 in his 2 years if you want to include the last 2 teams btw.
Really, his record against top teams is overrated.