Why are we putting up with the Glazers?

[padzilla]

Surely to God, by now, there aren't any fans left naive enough to believe the Glazers have any other objective than to asset strip the club and line their pockets?
What has to happen before fans boycott the club or take action? Relegation?

 

[Solius]

Nobody has mentioned this before.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

And what do you propose?

Not every Manchester United fan is going to boycott games all at once or boycott the game at Old Trafford.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

The Glazers? Never heard of them.

 

[SuperiorXI]

They own the club, there's nothing we can do but disrupt things, we've seen the lengths we must go before they change tact, we must go even further to get them out. It would take sustained interruption to the matches to force them to sell IMO. Eventually the decline will make them sell up as well.

 

[padzilla]

I just think most of our fans don't give a damn. As long as there are shiny new signings all will be forgiven.

 

[choccy77]

Because we have no choice.

 

[Nytram Shakes]

Because in order to get them to sell fans would have to all agree to work together to harm the club far more than they are doing. Then we have no guarantee who we get to replace them will be any better.

 

[Abraxas]

Because there are not enough people that are invested in the situation to the extent required to make a real difference to the Glazer's. It's as simple as that. On a place like this you can convince yourself that there are.

 

[sukhy]

The fans don't really care. We had Ole as our manager for 3 years, and the fans were perfectly fine with it. The standards have dropped to a level that was unexpected.

 

[Jaae]

As always, people have the power but are too lazy/naiive to exercise it.

 

[bosnian_red]

There's nothing you can actually do to force them to sell. Look how long Mike Ashley was in charge of Newcastle. Also let's be real... There are worse owners out there too. You don't know what you're getting of they're replaced. I do bet the majority of people on here wouldn't mind in the slightest if Saudis bought us out, which would be the likeliest event seeing as almost nobody else could afford us, so that kinda says it all...

 

[Bondi77]

We always seem to have a decent kitty when it comes to transfers.
It is not the fault of the owners if we pay over the top prices for players that are not up to it.

 

[Heardy]

Because we have no choice.

Exactly. What choice or actual leverage do we have? Little and none.

 

[van Nistelrooy]

Meaningful boycotts just won't happen for United. Old Trafford has too many fans each matchday and there will always be a queue of people to take your match ticket if you decide not to go. Walkouts never attract anywhere near enough fans to make a statement due to so many match going fans being content with the running of the club if there is chance to cheer a goal.

Disruption is the only way to get the board and ownership to take notice. What ever you think of the protest which resulted in fans breaking in to Old Trafford and getting the Liverpool match to be postponed, it made them take notice. Without those scenes I truly believe we would never have got an apology from the Glazers regarding the European Super League. They even released a plan of how to make changes for the future - a plan which has failed to be acted on over a year later!

Failure to keep to their promises is enough reason to protest and make their ownership unbearable. Protests and 'disruption' in the eyes of the media need to be relentless. Not just ahead of one matchday. Someone get on the Old Trafford roof and hang an anti-Glazer banner.

 

[Bubz27]

Glaziers?

 

[manc exile]

We always seem to have a decent kitty when it comes to transfers.
It is not the fault of the owners if we pay over the top prices for players that are not up to it.

ultimately it is

the owners appoint the people who make the decisions

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Stopped actively supporting Utd because of them, after being a fan since around ‘86.

I’d urge others to do the same, and
to be open about it.

Will always have a huge respect for Utd as a club but I cannot wish success upon the Glazers.

 

[Ole's screen]

The problem with Glazers has always been that they’ve been pretty hands off. Even if you take their running of the Bucs, they’ve always been flashy but ultimately, not very well run. But at the end of the day, they are the owners. There’s no laws that they have to run the club a certain way. I’m not sure what the right solution is. After all what is the point of having private ownership of the owners aren’t allowed to do things their way?

The thing I would question is what do the Glazers actually think? Do they actually think that they haven’t lost money due to the club not achieving to its potential? Do they not care? Why not? Sure it is better for them too if United stay at the top of the football pyramid both for their portfolio and their future dividends? Do they care and don’t know what to do about it?

 

[Bondi77]

ultimately it is

the owners appoint the people who make the decisions

Hopefully we have the right people in place now but trying to buy a player that is in love with his current club seems a bit strange but if the club didn't try to do it they would be accused of not supporting the new manager.
Tough crowd on here.

 

[Flying high]

Exactly. What choice or actual leverage do we have? Little and none.

Individually nothing. Collectively we could oust them in a month with coordinated effort.

But EVERY SINGLE TIME one of these threads come up, we have countless fans who can't seem to stop themselves from shitting on any attempt to gain some traction.

 

[Gordon Godot]

Individually nothing. Collectively we could oust them in a month with coordinated effort.

But EVERY SINGLE TIME one of these threads come up, we have countless fans who can't seem to stop themselves from shitting on any attempt to gain some traction.

Stopping the game last season shows the power of collective action, Too many are indifferent. The Glazers are destroying this club, if the fans made a real stand we could get them out. The Chelsea sales showed that there are buyers out there for clubs even for several billion.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Individually nothing. Collectively we could oust them in a month with coordinated effort.

But EVERY SINGLE TIME one of these threads come up, we have countless fans who can't seem to stop themselves from shitting on any attempt to gain some traction.

Stopping the game last season shows the power of collective action, Too many are indifferent. The Glazers are destroying this club, if the fans made a real stand we could get them out. The Chelsea sales showed that there are buyers out there for clubs even for several billion.

Exactly.

If you want your club back, you have to force them out.

Imagine what would happen if the Glazers TRIED to buy Chelsea, or Real… how would their fans react? Would they allow it?

Then understand that’s how Utd fans need to react to BEING owned by the Glazers if you want them gone.

 

[jameyzane]

The glazers will be lucky if united fans don't go after them physically in some way this season.

 

[Offside]

Our ownership situation is no worse than Liverpool. They just have a top manager. We have spent enough money in the last 10 years to build the greatest team of all time twice over, but it’s been wasted by crap managers. Obviously they are to blame for crap appointments but a lot of it is trial and error. Even then we’ve appointed managers with the best reputation about rather than Hodgsons.

We have been nowhere near the dark spots of Liverpool or Arsenal with their American owners. Arsenal haven’t been in the CL for 6 years and Liverpool were in it once in 9 years. We haven’t even been out 2 years in a row yet.

 

[Superden]

too many top reds worried about damaging the 'club' to take actual disruptive (legal) action.
amazes me how much power football fans have as 'consumers', and yet they choose themselves not to leverage that power / influence on their clubs. all those geordies that kept complaining about ashley, but still walked around in sports direct merch and bought a season ticket for each member of their family....utd fans the same, you cant be a full (official) kit wanker and then moan about the glazers.
you see it on the caf enough, the almost dismissive snobbery from some 'die hard' fans towards anyone calling for direct action against the owners.

 

[Esset]

There has to be collective action, a huge an well organized boycott. Theoretically it could happen but I'm not sure it could practically, the fanbase is just too devided.

 

[TOPREDIAMNOT]

Because look at the responses here..
"what can we do...they are the owners, they gave us money (OUR **** money bye the way...!! There are worse owners....It's not their fault, It'll get better. Oh I just want to watch football. I'll ignore the facts and carry on"

Sounds like a domestic abuse case as well

"It's not all his/her fault...things will get better, There are worse here. there's nothing I can do..."

Well we are about to get what we deserve very soon!

Like OP said there should be riots to get these ***'s out!!!

They never put a $$ in. Took a tone of $$ out. Bad management, bad decision after bad decision....yet some still make all the excuses under the sun for them.
Gone from Champions to 6th No trophy in five years. Worse football to watch ever!......Where next?

"Our ownership situation is no worse than Liverpool. They just have a top manager. We have spent enough money in the last 10 years to build the greatest team of all time twice over, but it’s been wasted by crap managers. Obviously they are to blame for crap appointments but a lot of it is trial and error. Even then we’ve appointed managers with the best reputation about rather than Hodgsons.

We have been nowhere near the dark spots of Liverpool or Arsenal with their American owners. Arsenal haven’t been in the CL for 6 years and Liverpool were in it once in 9 years. We haven’t even been out 2 years in a row yet."

You must be kidding?

So Klopp was interviewed at Utd by our Disney manager Eddy Woodward.. and walked away He could see Utd were doomed with their "Disney Land approach to football! He then walks into Liverpool. THIS alone tells you Liverpool are not run like our idiots ruin it.

We were soo badly run (and i hope things have changed now...but we'll see) up until 2021 the damage is going to take years to fix. ED was probably the most incompent football director in the history of football directors. Signing players for Social media likes, etc...It is about as pathetic as you can get. Yet the Glazers let him do it and for too many years. Is it too late? We'll see soon enough

There has to be collective action, a huge an well organized boycott. Theoretically it could happen but I'm not sure it could practically, the fanbase is just too devided.

The fan base is getting more and more vocal. IF we struggle this season I expect bit trouble for the owners. We are very close to breaking point. YES I have been to two Anti Glazer protests.....I wonder how many here have been to any?

 

[Superden]

Our ownership situation is no worse than Liverpool. They just have a top manager. We have spent enough money in the last 10 years to build the greatest team of all time twice over, but it’s been wasted by crap managers. Obviously they are to blame for crap appointments but a lot of it is trial and error. Even then we’ve appointed managers with the best reputation about rather than Hodgsons.

We have been nowhere near the dark spots of Liverpool or Arsenal with their American owners. Arsenal haven’t been in the CL for 6 years and Liverpool were in it once in 9 years. We haven’t even been out 2 years in a row yet.

the way the last 5 managers reigns have crashed and burned was entirely predictable from the moment they were appointed, with the decision making from the top focused on commercial imperatives and not the needs / wishes of the managers they hired, and thus all of them ended up failing. UTD just finished 6th, which considering where we were not that long ago is far worse than anything that gilette and hicks achieved with liverpool considering where they were when the took over.

 

[Offside]

the way the last 5 managers reigns have crashed and burned was entirely predictable from the moment they were appointed, with the decision making from the top focused on commercial imperatives and not the needs / wishes of the managers they hired, and thus all of them ended up failing. UTD just finished 6th, which considering where we were not that long ago is far worse than anything that gilette and hicks achieved with liverpool considering where they were when the took over.

I agree with what you say and that they’re shitty owners but the trial and error point is important. United’s last great team was built on developing young players and smart cheap signings where one after another was a hit (VDS, Park, Vidic, Evra, Carrick) when other clubs were spanking money. We had the right manager to get the best out of them. At some point we will get the right manager again.

We’re always attracting players and coaches with the best reputation and it hasn’t clicked yet. At some point it will. This is why we put up with the owners.

 

[Rozay]

Because they bought our club?

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

Because they bought our club?

This. Unfortunately they are the owners and they aren’t going anywhere soon. What do people want us to do that hasn’t already been done?

 

[Red_toad]

Surely to God, by now, there aren't any fans left naive enough to believe the Glazers have any other objective than to asset strip the club and line their pockets?
What has to happen before fans boycott the club or take action? Relegation?

Do you have a solution? If not, then why are you making yet another moaning thread about our crap owners.

 

[Mickeza]

It’s pretty basic. Anything that would force them to sell is either a) illegal or b) would significantly harm the team and everyone at the club in the medium term. Option a) is a non-starter for any sane people and the more extreme you go in terms of option b) the more support you will lose. The other huge issue is there’s no guarantee the people buying us would be any different or better. So Glazer stooges like myself see the much lesser of evils course to be think they’re utter cnuts but recognise we still generate enough revenue to be competitive even with the debt and dividend payments should we be run in a competent manner. Any pressure that doesn’t harm the team but forces them to operate competently is great in my mind. I find it very difficult to believe this place would be fine getting home games called off constantly leading to point deductions leading to relegations when it goes into collective meltdown when we draw an away game or fail to sign the latest shiny toy.

 

[McGrathsipan]

Surely to God, by now, there aren't any fans left naive enough to believe the Glazers have any other objective than to asset strip the club and line their pockets?
What has to happen before fans boycott the club or take action? Relegation?

The GLAZERS are the Torys of football. Self serving lying rats.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

The same people that protest outside the ground are the same ones who spend a shit ton on tickets every year and line these parasites pockets. It's as if they think walking in 15 minutes late is going to make them sit up and take notice.

If there was real movement, where people didn't go to games, didn't buy tickets and refused to go into the club shop/buy merchandise, their hand would eventually be forced. It won't happen.

 

[Gordon Godot]

I agree with what you say and that they’re shitty owners but the trial and error point is important. United’s last great team was built on developing young players and smart cheap signings where one after another was a hit (VDS, Park, Vidic, Evra, Carrick) when other clubs were spanking money. We had the right manager to get the best out of them. At some point we will get the right manager again.

We’re always attracting players and coaches with the best reputation and it hasn’t clicked yet. At some point it will. This is why we put up with the owners.

Sorry but this is very naive and simplistic. Fergie was given time tp rebuild the club from bottom up, at a time when it was more realistic to have a manger with oversight of everything. He generally had some very strong assistants and overall the transfer record was good. Now clubs are so huge and complex its beyond the remit of the manager. The top clubs are data scientists, analysts, top coaches at every level. United are getting a bit of that now but we have also head the same PR rubbish before. Most fundamentally unlike nearly every other premier league club we have owners who do not care if we never win another trophy. Fans dont seem to undestand this

 

[kthanksbye]

It's an organization, they're the owners, this is not a democracy. They don't give a shit. Most fans don't give a shit.
Fans will have to do something really drastic, like empty seats on a regular basis, non renewal of season tickets. Even then till the time the club keeps making money, they're not going anywhere.

 

[TwoSheds]

Problem is we finally actually have a good manager and if we don't do anything about the ownership things will likely go tits up for him, but if we were to cause massive disruption then he's almost certainly fecked. Damned if you do and damned if you don't really.

 

[Offside]

Most fundamentally unlike nearly every other premier league club we have owners who do not care if we never win another trophy. Fans dont seem to undestand this

That’s exactly the point I’m making. This isn’t true. I bet FSG couldn’t give a feck whether Liverpool win stuff same as the Glazers. Their net spend is nowhere near the Glazers. They just happened to have stumbled across the right manager. Before that they were beyond shit, in a much worse state than we could dream.