It's not our club, it has never been our club. So what are we getting back?
Also did fans actively tried to get the club off the hands of the Edward family in the 70s-80s?
Why are we putting up with the Glazers?
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Also did fans actively tried to get the club off the hands of the Edward family in the 70s-80s?
Considering the replies here and the pessimism regarding the owners and how nothing is likely to change, and apologies for changing the topic, why was there so much backlash to the post where someone asked if it's acceptable to stop supporting the club or start supporting a different one.
If someone refuses to put up with the dishonest owners and incompetent decision makers, they should not be criticized.
If someone refuses to put up with the dishonest owners and incompetent decision makers, they should not be criticized.
This doesn't actually have anything to do with a whole lot on the pitch though. Beyond giving a budget (of which we are consistently among the highest in the world), the Glazers don't do much for footballing matters. It's down to the manager and the coaches to get the most out of the team. That's what has failed us the most in the recent past.
You could argue that it took them a lot of time to change the structure and create one that doesn't rely as much on the manager. It's so new that we don't even know if the current decision makers are good enough to take the club to the very top of Football. That's on the owners and the shareholders as a whole.
Oh yeah for sure, there are issues, but it's something that's easily sorted out from their side by delegating to someone competent instead of Woodward. So we'll see how it is now. The owners themselves are responsible for essentially signing off on cheques and appointing someone competent to build all that.
My general point is... They're not good owners, but there are much worse, and we can be successful despite them. Hopefully with a good coach now, we'll see that.
Same reason society puts up with billionaires. We ain't got a choice
I never get this line of complaining about the glazers. To me, them taking dividends is on the low end of things they have done wrong but somehow that is what everyone (G Neville) keeps harping on about.
The money they have allowed to be wasted on the football side of things is their biggest crime to United. We have spend as much as City have pretty much with barely anything to show for it.
Liverpool had terrible yank owners and managed to push them out. I don’t think the fans have really tried hard enough. The minute they sign a few players it’s all forgotten about but they aren’t even doing that anymore.
the only way you’ll force them out is to damage united significantly enough that it’s no longer worth them keeping the club.
Are fans really happy to burn it to the ground to force them out?
If anything they might decide to just go down with the ship at that stage, it’s a lose lose situation for everybody.
The only way they leave is if a huge offer comes in or they want the money for something else and selling suits them unfortunately.
Chelsea? The ones owned by a Putin puppet until recently? Right....
Maybe my memory is fuzzy but I honestly don't recall protests by their supporters as strongly as we've seen in recent years against our owners, yet they are still here.
If I'm the Glazers I sell United today and replace it with an NBA franchise before the new broadcasting deal arrives. If any of you are in a place to whisper that idea to the Glazers, please do it, it's a scenario where the Glazers win 100% of the time. They simply swap assets and US sport franchises are better assets if you are into sport business.
It's not what happened, as much as they like to pretend otherwise they didn't push them out. It's the Royal Banks of Scotland putting the loans in their toxic assets division that pushed them out, Hicks and Gillett were mismanaging the club financially and Liverpool creditors took care of the problem.
They started to do walk outs at the end of games. I can remember Adam Johnson scoring a goal when they were emptying the Kop and MoTD tried to blame the fans for exiting early distracting the players. They definitely did protest but I can’t remember how bad it got.
Yeah, I honestly don't recall too much noise from Liverpool supporters in terms of protests or anything at all. A few banners here and there and of course giving out on social media.
If anything United supporters have been far more vitriolic in their protests against the Glazers than Liverpool and Hicks / Gillett.
A walk out is fairly tame...
We've had numerous incidents at Woodwards house, the pitch invaded, constant chants, social media protests (with sponsors withdrawing), banners and of course the ever hysterical plane with a banner
Said for a while, to genuinely get rid of them would involve a section of fecked off fans going to Florida and affecting their day to day life
Anything that happens in Manchester is just something they read on a WhatsApp message and they aren’t going to sell a business over things that don’t affect them
Anything that happens in Manchester is just something they read on a WhatsApp message and they aren’t going to sell a business over things that don’t affect them
Whether we like it or not United fans just aren't that serious enough about it.A walk out is fairly tame...
We've had numerous incidents at Woodwards house, the pitch invaded, constant chants, social media protests (with sponsors withdrawing), banners and of course the ever hysterical plane with a banner
They tried to do a walk out and 90% ended up staying and enjoying the match.
Look at Valencia fans, they literally didn't enter the stadium, kept it completely empty.
We keep giving out these threats and never carrying out with it. They're probably sat in Florida laughing.
We do but it's nigh impossible to tell people that spend small fortunes for a season ticket not to go anymore. This is an argument made by even youtubers "if I don't go somebody else will". Some of the biggest Glazer critics I know are also some of the biggest supporters in terms of money given and attendance.
Protests are the only realistic way to do it imo. Simply because it creates a negative media narrative and if kept long enough, it can impact sponsors.
When we finally have a good manager. The glazer would be ace. They give money and hands off.
Shame they appointed the wrong manager.
Would be great with SAF with license to spend.
Shame they appointed the wrong manager.
Would be great with SAF with license to spend.
You're comparing apples with oranges there though.
Valencia won't have fans travelling from around the world for a match like we do. Doesn't matter if its midweek, premier league 3pm or a Super Sunday... we'll attract fans from all over Europe, Asia and America.
Those fans will not invest in planes, trains, hotels and match tickets to just stay outside the ground and protest.
Don't compare United with Valencia. Do it with Real or Barca.
It's not just the manager. It's everything to do with the football side that gives crazy contracts, have no clear strategy of what the club is or wants, etc. They got away with it with SAF because he was a one man football club; that will never be replicated. They have no idea how to run a football club, what people to put in positions of power and so on.
And Peter Lim still owns Valencia. Now it's true that United fans and PL fans as a whole aren't the most demonstrative around but truth be told when it comes to club ownership it rarely leads to an owner selling.
Exactly.
I think folks ignore just how big an impact it was / is losing Ferguson.
I said this from the start of my time on here, we are a club that has had 3 successful periods in its entire history! Ernest Magnall, Sir Matt Busby & Sir Alex Ferguson. Outside of that its blips of trophies here n there from your Jose's and Rons!
Two of those managers were completely all encompassing and one man football clubs (as the poster stated above).
To move away from that in an attempt to modernize is absolutely huge, it can't and won't happen overnight. Mistakes logically will happen!
These owners may never win another league title / european cup and that wouldn't surprise me, but they might well too if they continue to provide funds and we start getting some good football minds involved at the club and they support them (not saying they haven't previously).
Exactly.
One important thing that can be done is to try to get more United fans on board with wanting the owners out. There is a shocking top red culture amongst our fans where for every anti glazer fan you get another who would say ‘shut up, they’ve spent a billion’.
I don’t think people understand how little the Glazers give a feck about the opposition to them. They needed police protection the first time they came to Old Trafford. The FBI looked into death threats when they first bought the club. If they can survive that they’ll survive any protest. The truth is there’s very little we can do.
Exactly.
Yes, because that’s the same thing…
Trust me, if the Glazers had tried to buy Chelsea the fans would’ve stopped it.
If they tried to buy Real the fans wouldn’t allow it.
Utd fans have been WAY too obliging with the ‘job’ the Glazers have done.
If Old Trafford was empty of home fans because of a match boycott, that would get their attention, but I fear that's not likely to happen. Interfering with them in Florida would probably have severe repercussions on the ones trying it.
What a load of bollocks this is. Some of you a very very far removed from United fan culture. Match going fans raised hell during the time of the takeover and the Glazers didn’t give a feck.
Well done for tackling the issue in this thread.
Literally what is there to suggest that the fans would've stopped it? What could they have done? It's not comparable at all. And you're right, it's not the same thing. It's much, much worse. Just like City and Newcastle not doing much about their owners. Or would you be OK with a monster regime being the owner because "my team would win more"?
Football ownership is different in different countries. You can't really compare ownership from the premier league to the Spanish league or the German league. Because of the way the premier league is, there is absolutely feck all the fans can actually do regarding the ownership. To be blunt, 99% of the fans don't even know what they want when it comes to ownership. At the end of the day, they watch the club and want the club to do well on the pitch. Nobody has any clue how any random billionaire owner will treat the club once they are in charge.
Spot on. Only locals can come and protest day in day out and the fans from Manchester have no collective fight to really take this battle on. British people will accept the priverbial bumming, just like employees. 52nd State!!
I’m visiting Old Trafford again this summer, and I can hand on heart say that I won’t be buying anything from the club shop. At the moment, that’s all fans can do. Do not buy club merchandise. Anything else is futile. The protests have been great, but they genuinely do not care one iota about them. None of them have said a word despite the excellent efforts of the 1958 in organising a multitude of protests at the back end of last season, and signings have been even slower than usual as well.
Take away the revenue though, and they’ll sell in no time. Even better, do a Valencia.
Take away the revenue though, and they’ll sell in no time. Even better, do a Valencia.
That was nothing to do with Hicks and Gillett tbf, as long as we have fans who’ll make excuses for the Glazers we’re going nowhere, the Glazers have also realised these past few years that one thing that’s in the history of the club and that fans like to see (players from the academy coming through) is also a great money saver, and fans naively have backed the young players and given them time when they clearly haven’t been good enough
Christ on a crutch, this is unbelievable.
How are they asset stripping? Taking equipmenmt from the offices and Carrington?
£20m dividend yearly is nothing in the scheme of things.
They make a lot more money from sale of shares.
And they still aren't paying off their debt.
I can imagine a multi millionaire in the USA panicking when he sees a plane with a banner flying over the stadium.A walk out is fairly tame...
We've had numerous incidents at Woodwards house, the pitch invaded, constant chants, social media protests (with sponsors withdrawing), banners and of course the ever hysterical plane with a banner
It must strike terror into their heart !!