Why don't the Irish support their local teams?

Plan M said:
Like people from London who could support Arsenal or Spurs but they actually support United?

Who's that wanker who was on Soccer AM - the Cockney Manc bloke? He was embarassing.
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Why do you have to support you're local team? I for example have grown up in London but support United and have done my whole life. Yes there's probably a success element in that, they were the first team I heard of, my Dad is Scottish and lived in Aberdeen so therefore I think supported Ferguson and when football was on the TV it was always United. Also they had players who I identified with, such as Beckham and Schmeichel.

All of these I think are perfectly valid reasons for supporting a football club, why does it being you're local club have to come into it? I am walking distance away from Stamford Bridge but never identified with them, so don't support them.
 
golden_blunder said:
I could go on, or i could create a thread "why is Plan M such as Anus?"
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There's no need for personal attacks. Aren't you supposed to be an admin at the Caf? You're not setting a good example by acting like a child.

There's no need to get so bloody defensive, it was an honest question.
 
golden_blunder said:
what a fecking ignorant thread

perhaps you should read the history of the clubs then think about it
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History can be manipulated to any way you want to portray it, which I tend to find is what Irish supporters tend to do in their favour.

Historically, the Irish have no more historical claim to be linked with United than someone from anywhere else in the world. They however believe that somehow being Irish means there is a historical link with United that means they should all follow United.

The truth is there isnt any historical link, no more so than anyone other place in the world.
 
fredthered said:
History can be manipulated to any way you want to portray it, which I tend to find is what Irish supporters tend to do in their favour.

Historically, the Irish have no more historical claim to be linked with United than someone from anywhere else in the world. They however believe that somehow being Irish means there is a historical link with United that means they should all follow United.

The truth is there isnt any historical link, no more so than anyone other place in the world.
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At last, some interesting and incisive feedback here, thank you Fred.
 
golden_blunder said:
Fred, why isn't there a thread "why dont people from London support their own team?"
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Again, the same could be applied to Cockneys, Brummies blah blah. You will find Cockneys who try finding some historical reason why they should support United.

Everyone looks for reasons why they are "historically linked" with United, and its bullshit. There arent any "historical links"

The reason people support United is because they are a fecking great football team, and THAT is the reason.

feck the stuff and nonsense. Thats what it boils down to.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Ooh look, rednev being deliberately provocative again. Isn't he a card.
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Provocative?

I'm trying to be welcoming. I'd love nothing more than for us to welcome you guys back with open arms. Just think how much better off you'd be with pound sterling, for starters. We're practically the same country anyway.

And back to footballing matters, good on the Irish for not letting history get in the way of supporting an English team, I say.
 
jdmufc said:
seems i wasn´t wrong then.
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Logistically it would be highly impractical, especially seeing as though they would be competing in the lower leagues. Scottish sides one day competing would be a push, the Irish sides I think is a bit too far fetched.
 
R_Nick said:
Why do people care where other fans are from and why they support United?
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Its about "top redness" you see.

Every fan thinks they are the greatest supporter the clubs ever had, and in trying to prove this they'll use whatever they can find as ammunition.

I am as guilty as the next man for it. I'll sit there and tell anyone I am the greatest fan the clubs ever had, and I can give thousands of reasons why thats the case.

It inflates my ego you see, makes me believe that in the wider context of United, I am worthwhile to the club.

The truth is, we're all muppets, running around trying to prove how "red" we are, and if we're honest we're no better than the little girls who run around school saying how much they love Robbie Williams.

Grown men arguing over who loves a bunch of overpaid prima donnas the most.. Come on.. you got to admit, its rather amusing.....
 
rednev said:
Provocative?

I'm trying to be welcoming. I'd love nothing more than for us to welcome you guys back with open arms. Just think how much better off you'd be with pound sterling, for starters. We're practically the same country anyway.

And back to footballing matters, good on the Irish for not letting history get in the way of supporting an English team, I say.
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To be fair, Wales is a part of England and not just the UK.
 
I couldn't give a shit where a person's from, if it's in them then it's in them.

Whether you're from Manchester, London, Wales, NI or Republic. Europe, Asia, America or any other part in the world, I don't really care.
 
fredthered said:
Its about "top redness" you see.

Every fan thinks they are the greatest supporter the clubs ever had, and in trying to prove this they'll use whatever they can find as ammunition.

I am as guilty as the next man for it. I'll sit there and tell anyone I am the greatest fan the clubs ever had, and I can give thousands of reasons why thats the case.

It inflates my ego you see, makes me believe that in the wider context of United, I am worthwhile to the club.

The truth is, we're all muppets, running around trying to prove how "red" we are, and if we're honest we're no better than the little girls who run around school saying how much they love Robbie Williams.

Grown men arguing over who loves a bunch of overpaid prima donnas the most.. Come on.. you got to admit, its rather amusing.....
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This is made me giggle and is also very true! Top post.
 
jdmufc said:
seems i wasn´t wrong then.
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Actually Wimbledon wanted to move to Dublin to capture the Irish market, and the FA were all up for the idea. It was only logistics and complaints from other clubs that stopped it.
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
To be fair, Wales is a part of England and not just the UK.
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To be fair, no it isnt...

Wales is a completely seperate entity to England.

( hey its bad enough being connected to the fecking Irish, dont start making out we're fecking sheepshaggers too )
 
rednev said:
It's the same with television programmes. When I was last in Dublin, pretty much every channel had British programming on. Even the news headlines led with a British story.

I think the Republic secretly wants to become part of the United Kingdom again.
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Pretty much every channel in the UK has American programming.


I think the UK secretly wants to become part of the United States
 
Plan M said:
What do you care about RunderscoreNick? Enlighten us all darling.
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Certainly not where other fans hail from, as I said in another thread last night, it matters not a jot, all that counts is their support.

fredthered said:
Its about "top redness" you see.

Every fan thinks they are the greatest supporter the clubs ever had, and in trying to prove this they'll use whatever they can find as ammunition.

I am as guilty as the next man for it. I'll sit there and tell anyone I am the greatest fan the clubs ever had, and I can give thousands of reasons why thats the case.

It inflates my ego you see, makes me believe that in the wider context of United, I am worthwhile to the club.

The truth is, we're all muppets, running around trying to prove how "red" we are, and if we're honest we're no better than the little girls who run around school saying how much they love Robbie Williams.

Grown men arguing over who loves a bunch of overpaid prima donnas the most.. Come on.. you got to admit, its rather amusing.....
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:lol: indeed, the attempts to out 'top red' each other my some people are more than a little silly.

Plan M said:
This is made me giggle and is also very true! Top post.
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why start the thread then?
 
Lynk said:
Pretty much every channel in the UK has American programming.


I think the UK secretly wants to become part of the United States
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No we show US channels to make us realise things aren't as bad here as we think...
 
R_Nick said:
:lol: indeed, the attempts to out 'top red' each other my some people are more than a little silly.
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But we all do it, and we'll carry on doing it till time ends.

At the end of the day, no matter what anyone tells me, I believe I love United more than anyone else. If you disagree with that, then fine we'll argue. But after 20 minutes discussing it you'll end up agreeing with me.

Is it because I'm a top red ?

No, its because I'm an argumentative cnut... :D
 
I don't think I've ever entered into such an argument, because it's futile and completely pointless, but if it makes you feel better to think you're a better fan then you go ahead mate :)
 
I could get into a big speil about gloryhunting etc, but whatever. For one thing, I think a there is a line between a 'fan' and a 'supporter', with fans being more casual. There are more understandably more football fans than supporters in the world, and with Ireland being a small place with a small population, the number of people who would be into football enough to be a supporter is compartively smaller. Then when you consider our countries history, having such a close bond with a big country like England which has historically had one of the most prominent, famous leagues in world football, I suppose its unsurprising that so many Irish people get into English football, then it becomes a generational thing, with people bringing their kids up to support the same big trophy-winning English club that they do. You might object to the term gloryhunting, but thats what it is. There are no great fanbases for Wolves or Stoke over here.

Being a part-time league in a small country, of course you're not going to see fantastic flowing football every week at a League of Ireland ground, but its still football, the standard is higher than most give it credit for (many dismissing it with having barely seen any) and I do wish more would give it a chance, even on a casual level. I mean, I haven't really read it much, but there's a thread on here about the Norweigan league that is far longer than the one about the LOI, despite there being a higher Irish presence on this board. Thats just a small collection of my thoughts on the subject.

For all the poor football and worse administration I've seen, I still love watching Shelbourne, I've gotten far more out of it that watching the Premier League on the tv. Now if you excuse me, I have a cup final to go watch.
 
To be fair, the whole 'where are you from, who do you support?' thing is daft because it ignores the crux of the matter. Most of us start supporting our team when we're anywhere from 4 or 5 up to 10 or so. At that age it's not a rational, well thought out decision, it's just a reflection of outside influences (be they family or whatever) or a team simply catching your eye, or even just the winning team in the first real game you watched.

People don't sit around wondering who to support, they just realise one day that they're drawn to one team more than another or, as in a lot of cases, they are given no real choice as to who they support by virtue of being brought to games/being bought shirts etc.
 
esmufc10 said:
Who gives a flying toss?
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I'd say most of the people that have come in here with their opinions and debate? You obviously found the thread attractive hence not being able to stay away from this lively topic.

No go create a thread about not being able to sleep or working conditions at ASDA, you know you can't help yourself! :lol:
 
Wonder Pigeon said:
There are no great fanbases for Wolves or Stoke over here.
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Actually, back in the 1950s there was a huge support for Wolves, as they were the big team at the time.

George Best was a Wolves supporter and recalls in his book how he used to go to a neighbours house to listen to the radio ( because his mum and dad didnt have one ). In one part he tells of how he listened to Wolves playing against the first ever game under floodlights against a European team, in what was then deemed to be the fore runner to the European cup.

He also goes on to tell how he'd rush out on a Saturday night to buy the "pink" and catch up on the latest scores, and how he still had the scrapbook with all his cuttings from Wolves match reports.

So basically, you've always been glory hunting bastards.. :D
 
R_Nick said:
Why do people care where other fans are from and why they support United?
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I dunno, but funnily enough two of the most vocal people on here about it are Plan M (Swansea) and UtdHeap (London).

Two supposed 'mancs' who live nowhere near Manchester.

I'm guessing they've built up a bit of a chip on their shoulder being labelled OOT glory hunters, when they see themselves as top red mancs, so this is their way of making themselves feel better and redressing the balance.
 
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