Why don't the Irish support their local teams?

Plan M said:
I'd say most of the people that have come in here with their opinions and debate? You obviously found the thread attractive hence not being able to stay away from this lively topic.

No go create a thread about not being able to sleep or working conditions at ASDA, you know you can't help yourself! :lol:
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I've not created any of those types of threads for a while. I didn't find the thread attractive, just another one of those threads which criticise certain sections of our support because they weren't born in Manchester. Was United your most local club, or was there another club more local to you? Why didn't you support that one?

We're all fans of this great club, doesn't much matter to me how or why people started to support them. The clue is in our name.
 
R_Nick and Plan M in a debate that puts the Tories and Labour to shame.
 
Plan M said:
You're still in here but you don't care. Riiiiiggght!
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It's a thread on an internet forum, not a building down the road I have to make an effort to enter ffs.

If you don't care why different people support United, why start the thread in the first place?
 
Kraftwerker said:
I dunno, but funnily enough two of the most vocal people on here about it are Plan M (Swansea) and UtdHeap (London).

Two supposed 'mancs' who live nowhere near Manchester.

I'm guessing they've built up a bit of a chip on their shoulder being labelled OOT glory hunters, when they see themselves as top red mancs, so this is their way of making themselves feel better and redressing the balance.
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I don't miss Manchester in any way though and wouldn't choose to live there again if I am being completely honest. I don't class myself as a "top red" in any way. If anything, I've become less bothered about our results over the last few years as real life issues get in the way I suppose. Football is simply entertainment for me, I don't get "suicidal" when United draw/lose like some muppets here.

Life > Football.
 
Hold on a moment, doesn't everybody in Swansea support Liverpool?

I think the only time people put on Swansea shirts is when Cardiff City are in town. And vice versa.
 
rednev said:
Hold on a moment, doesn't everybody in Swansea support Liverpool?

I think the only time people put on Swansea shirts is when Cardiff City are in town. And vice versa.
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There are a lot of Liverpool supporters in Wales, yes. But you do see people wearing Swansea City shirts all over the place - my office is full of Jack Army twats, not a Liverpool/United/Arsenal/Chelsea supporter in sight.
 
Plan M said:
I don't miss Manchester in any way though and wouldn't choose to live there again if I am being completely honest. I don't class myself as a "top red" in any way. If anything, I've become less bothered about our results over the last few years as real life issues get in the way I suppose. Football is simply entertainment for me, I don't get "suicidal" when United draw/lose like some muppets here.

Life > Football.
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It's not about missing Manchester, it's about you having a chip on your shoulder about being an OOT fan, same as Heap.

So you get very vocal in these debates to over-compensate and make yourself feel better.
 
Kraftwerker said:
It's not about missing Manchester, it's about you having a chip on your shoulder about being an OOT fan, same as Heap.

So you get very vocal in these debates to over-compensate and make yourself feel better.
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There's no chip on my shoulder darling. Where have I said that I think I'm a "top red"? I couldn't give two shites about how my "football supporter status" is perceived on an internet forum where none of us actually know each other.

I asked a simple question and the thread has completely gone off topic. It's not about United or why we support them. I just wondered what connection Irish people had with their local clubs.

Talk about getting defensive and arsey!

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I'm with Plan M on this one. It seems as though he's being racially persecuted for being Welsh, which is not surprising given the current anti-Welsh climate on here.

Elvis should apologise to the Welsh, Plan M, the Irish and to the Japanese (for the other week).
 
Why are there Norweigans, Americans and French in this?

Why aren't genuine Manchester born fans not going to FCUM matches?
 
Plan M said:
There's no chip on my shoulder darling. Where have I said that I think I'm a "top red"? I couldn't give two shites about how my "football supporter status" is perceived on an internet forum where none of us actually know each other.

I asked a simple question and the thread has completely gone off topic. It's not about United or why we support them. I just wondered what connection Irish people had with their local clubs.

Talk about getting defensive and arsey!

:nervous:
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By far the most defensive poster on here has been you when people started ribbing you for being from Swansea and being Welsh.

Chip on your shoulder. Clear as day. Fun watching you squirm though and pretend you don't care, when you quite clearly do.
 
Kraftwerker said:
By far the most defensive poster on here has been you when people started ribbing you for being from Swansea and being Welsh.

Chip on your shoulder. Clear as day. Fun watching you squirm though and pretend you don't care, when you quite clearly do.
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:lol: :lol:

Are you from Ireland by any chance? This thread seems to have really offended you!
 
Nope.

The thread doesn't offend me, I just like winding you up about the obvious chip on your shoulder you have being an OOT fan.

You obviously care about being a manc, but it must be frustrating trying to persuade people that you're manc, having a Welsh accent and all?
 
Kraftwerker said:
Nope.

The thread doesn't offend me
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Riiiiight! :lol:

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Manchester and liverpool are the two closest english cities to ireland, hence trade and transport links with ireland, which then leads to migration and a growing population of irish imigrants. Just look at the family names of people from both cities. How many of you know someone from these areas with irish surnames, like Gallagher,McCartney,lennon etc
Newton heath were set up by a group of irish railway workers. Green and gold colours from the irish flag.
There are two football asociations in Ireland, the IFA in northern ireland and FAI in the south.Both face vast problems, in the north the league is rebuilding after 30 years of conflict in which the IFA was seen as a mainly protestant supported orginisation as most of the catholic teams were forced out of the league. This has now been ractified and the league has been regenerated over the past 10 years. The standard is poor to be honest. In the south gealic games are very strong and command large support due to the community structure it is founded on. Again the standard is poor.
Many of uniteds greatest players have come from ireland. An Irish newspaper recently had an article reporting that between 8000-10,000 people in OT at a home match travel from ireland.
I know at least 100 season ticket holders in the town i live in, so not all man utd supporters come from manchester,and not all irish support their local teams.
 
paddycantona said:
Newton heath were set up by a group of irish railway workers. Green and gold colours from the irish flag.
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Sorry but thats bullshit.

The club was initially formed by Dining Room committee in response to a request from the carriage workers. Nowhere is there any indication that any of the founders were predominantly irish.. Quite simply, you've just made that up.

Secondly, the colours Green and Gold, came from the colours of the company nothing to do with the Irish flag whatsoever. Again, something just made up to try justify an argument.

As I said before, Irish fans tend to try prove historical links which are non existent, and you've just gone and done exactly that by that piece of nonsense.

Ireland had NOTHING to do with the formation of Newton Heath and in years to come the club actually tried to distance itself from the Irish immigrants, rejecting a call to call the club Manchester Celtic, as they felt it would align the club with the Immigrant Catholics in the same way Celtic in Scotland were aligned.
 
paddycantona said:
Manchester and liverpool are the two closest english cities to ireland, hence trade and transport links with ireland, which then leads to migration and a growing population of irish imigrants. Just look at the family names of people from both cities. How many of you know someone from these areas with irish surnames, like Gallagher,McCartney,lennon etc
Newton heath were set up by a group of irish railway workers. Green and gold colours from the irish flag.
There are two football asociations in Ireland, the IFA in northern ireland and FAI in the south.Both face vast problems, in the north the league is rebuilding after 30 years of conflict in which the IFA was seen as a mainly protestant supported orginisation as most of the catholic teams were forced out of the league. This has now been ractified and the league has been regenerated over the past 10 years. The standard is poor to be honest. In the south gealic games are very strong and command large support due to the community structure it is founded on. Again the standard is poor.
Many of uniteds greatest players have come from ireland. An Irish newspaper recently had an article reporting that between 8000-10,000 people in OT at a home match travel from ireland.
I know at least 100 season ticket holders in the town i live in, so not all man utd supporters come from manchester,and not all irish support their local teams.
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The old Irish flag featuring a harp? I didn't know that. Looks like Fred's been served again.
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
The old Irish flag featuring a harp? I didn't know that. Looks like Fred's been served again.
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THe Tricolour ( which is the current Irish flag ) didnt receive common aknowledgement until the Uprising in 1916. Until that point the Irish flag was considered to be the harp on the green background.

So the Irish flag, as we know it today, wasnt even recognised by the majority of Irish people until long after MUFC or NHLYRFC was formed in 1878
 
fredthered said:
THe Tricolour ( which is the current Irish flag ) didnt receive common aknowledgement until the Uprising in 1916. Until that point the Irish flag was considered to be the harp on the green background.

So the Irish flag, as we know it today, wasnt even recognised by the majority of Irish people until long after MUFC or NHLYRFC was formed in 1878
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Yes which is what PaddyCantona's saying... that gold harp on green background was the reason why NH LYR played in green and gold. No one's mentioned the tri-colour. I'd like someone to either back it up or refute it with some sort of evidence. And by evidence I don't mean a nonsensical post by a Welsh United fan from Swansea.
 
Plan M, why haven't you created a thread about Londoners, Welsh, Scottish, Brummies, etc etc? You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about the Irish

Why don't you post on a local forum board?
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
Yes which is what PaddyCantona's saying... that gold harp on green background was the reason why NH LYR played in green and gold. No one's mentioned the tri-colour. I'd like someone to either back it up or refute it with some sort of evidence. And by evidence I don't mean a nonsensical post by a Welsh United fan from Swansea.
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Newton Heath shirt - Manchester United - Newton Heath football shirt


Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


All the trains belonging to the LYR were painted green with gold trimmings.

L&YR locomotives originally were painted dark green with ornate brass work and copper capped chimneys. Lining was black and white. In 1876 the dark green was changed to a light green and goods engines were painted plain black. 1878 saw the goods locomotives also appearing in light green. This livery was discontinued from 1883 when all locomotives were painted black. Lining was red and white for passenger locomotives and, if present, red only for goods locomotives.
 
Culturally we all followed English football and English music when I was a kid. Everyone in my class had a an English team. It was as accessible here as it was to a kid supporting United living in London.

I played football to a high standard all the way up. Many I played with and against went on to play Laegue of Ireland.... it's hard to get too excited watching someone who is genuinely not as good at playing football as yourself.

My dad followed United as he worked in Manchester for years pre and post Busby. He loved United and went every week he was there that he could afford it. I went to United for the first time when I was 10.

As we got older, we'd travel over alone on the boat to see a few games a year... as flights got cheaper, and we started earning, many of us had season tickets. Trips became more regular.

If you need an explanation as the the affinity between Irish football fans and United, you haven't a scoobie yourself.

Allied to the fact that LOI football was complete drivel for years, the game is run by muppets, the gorunds were shit, the coverage was shit, the transport was shit, nobody was all that bothered.
 
golden_blunder said:
Plan M, why haven't you created a thread about Londoners, Welsh, Scottish, Brummies, etc etc? You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about the Irish

Why don't you post on a local forum board?
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Why don't you post on a local forum board? ;)

...and I don't have a chip on my bloody shoulder about the Irish! I've never, in my history of the Caf, slated the Irish!

What do you want me to post about the Brummies then?

"Why do the Brummies all support Aston Villa, West Brom and Birmingham City?"

You are taking it way too personally, it was an honest question about Irish football and the connection their supporters have with their own clubs as I know NOTHING about Irish footy but some of you have taken it to new levels i.e. going on about who is a "top red" etc.

It's all getting a bit silly now to be honest.
 
fadas said:
Culturally we all followed English football and English music when I was a kid. Everyone in my class had a an English team. It was as accessible here as it was to a kid supporting United living in London.

I played football to a high standard all the way up. Many I played with and against went on to play Laegue of Ireland.... it's hard to get too excited watching someone who is genuinely not as good at playing football as yourself.

My dad followed United as he worked in Manchester for years pre and post Busby. He loved United and went every week he was there that he could afford it. I went to United for the first time when I was 10.

As we got older, we'd travel over alone on the boat to see a few games a year... as flights got cheaper, and we started earning, many of us had season tickets. Trips became more regular.

If you need an explanation as the the affinity between Irish football fans and United, you haven't a scoobie yourself.

Allied to the fact that LOI football was complete drivel for years, the game is run by muppets, the gorunds were shit, the coverage was shit, the transport was shit, nobody was all that bothered.
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Thats not the point I am making.

The point I am making is Irish people have no more historical claim to be United supporters than anyone else. There is no "historical" reason why Irish folk should follow United any more than any other team.
 
Plan M said:
What do you want me to post about the Brummies then?

"Why do the Brummies all support Aston Villa, West Brom and Birmingham City?"
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I can answer that.

Because they are fecking shit.. thats why. Brummies being thick cnuts

:D
 
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