Because people don't know whom to blame really.
Why is Richard Arnold getting a free pass from the fans?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Does anyone ever read the Utd yearly report? What's the organization listed there?
It seems like not bringing in desperately needed players would get that CEO fired -- because really, he has 2 jobs, maintain the outside sales and maintain the club. If you fail at 50% of your job, you're not doing it right.
It seems like not bringing in desperately needed players would get that CEO fired -- because really, he has 2 jobs, maintain the outside sales and maintain the club. If you fail at 50% of your job, you're not doing it right.
I'm kind of assuming hes a feck up but ... he's the ceo they selected were stuck with him until he proves himself a feck up
Well said.
What does that even mean? How can a CEO a of a well established organization separate himself from the main operations of said organization? Can the Ford CEO separate himself from car production? Can Coca Cola CEO separate himself from soft drink manufacturing or the Bayer CEO from Aspirin making?
Arnold is the Man Utd CEO, if football side of things are struggling, the buck stops with him.
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Good post
It starts at the top. When you have gone this long being incompetent, the blame goes on the owners. They are the ones in charge. They are they ones putting managers and staff in impossible positions. They've made us a laughing stock.
This is also true.
It is impossible for me to believe that Man Utd wouldn't be much better off if the ownership actually appointed a proper Board of Directors to oversee the executive operation of the company.
I struggle to think of any board anywhere, that isn't just made up of the owner's kids, that would allow Man Utd to be run the way its been run.
I always laugh when I hear people say the club is run like a business. No successful business is run the way Man Utd is run. Man Utd is run like an 19th century Victorian gentleman's countryside estate, which is struggling to keep up with the pace of industrialisation. However, its absentee landlord doesn't give a s-t cos he's off playing billiards and cards in London. As long as the estate manager sends the rents along to pay for his lifestyle he's not interested.
If it was an external hiring I would agree.
Look where we were 6 years ago. Arnold and Murtough have basically climbed the ladder despite the club being a laughing stock for close to a decade.
How often do you go to games? I've already spent hundreds of pounds this season alone on the club. I cut a weekend away with family short to go to the game yesterday. That was obviously my decision to make, but fans put in a hell of a lot of time and resources into this supporting this club and it often feels like the club take it for granted. They hardly seem to know what the feck they are doing - it's been a theme ever since Fergie retired. It's very easy to criticise people that are disgruntled (you do it a lot), but is it really that surprising? Were you at the game yesterday?This fecking thread
The man is barely been in the job for christ sakes.
Football fans are incredibly fickle and want instant success at the flick or a switch, funny thing is, real life isn’t like that.
I don’t think many of you could be Liverpool fans. You’d have given up with football long before the 30 year wait for a title came about.
If they were serious about changing, no one from the old regime would've stayed.
It's not like there was any internal fighting, all those guys are friends and have been hired by Woodward.
It's not like there was any internal fighting, all those guys are friends and have been hired by Woodward.
I wonder how the fan-sentiment reader is working. We're all super happy here reading we're signing massively overpriced players in panic mode, after hearing the manager stating time and again that we'll only move for the right players.
I still don't see the correlation between United being shit 6 years ago and United being shit now, has to do with Richard Arnold?If it was an external hiring I would agree.
Look where we were 6 years ago. Arnold and Murtough have basically climbed the ladder despite the club being a laughing stock for close to a decade.
Was he DoF then? Nope. Is he DoF now? Nope.
He's part of the commercial side of the club, the part which has actually flourished the last 6 years.
Point the finger at Murtough, look at the guys resume, its fecking piss poor and he'd even look out of place as the DoF at Nottingham Forest.
You follow the structure. It's not complicated.
Arnold is in charge of Murtough. But he didn't choose Murtough, he inherited him. Woodward promoted Murtough.
So Arnold gets one chance to sack Murtough and bring in someone good to run the football side of things. If he persists with Murtough then it's on him. If the next DOF fails then it's on him.
Arnold is in charge of Murtough. But he didn't choose Murtough, he inherited him. Woodward promoted Murtough.
So Arnold gets one chance to sack Murtough and bring in someone good to run the football side of things. If he persists with Murtough then it's on him. If the next DOF fails then it's on him.
During his ill feted pub meet up with the fans he was quite clear that he will not be getting involved in transfers beyond what was absolutely necessary. He also won’t be picking the team or taking coaching sessions and he was scathing over the amount of input woodward had on the football side of things. He’s appointed Murtough to deal with that side of things and said his involvement stops at facilitating the cash and the operational stuff for the football side to operate in.
As for your comparison, no I don’t think the CEO of Bayer is getting involved in deciding what ingredients go into the aspirin and I don’t think the ceo of Coca Cola is taste testing the stuff himself and deciding what the recipe will be. That’s just my “hot-take” though so maybe they are. Maybe he’s spraying the fecking cans himself.
Who's called the manager anything? This thread is about Arnold, who may be having a new designation but has been at the club for a long time.
The point is not about one transfer, it's about how we seem to have no clue about what we want to do.
Their thinking seems to be - Frenkie not going through, let's get in Rabiot.
After all the talk of "right players", they are targeting Arnautovic.
We basically have the same approach (maybe even somehow worse seeing as our squad has weakened considerably over the summer) as with under Woodward. I understand you cannot revamp everything overnight but to be still making the same mistakes and doing it at a time when the club needs a good window just shows Arnold is basically Woodward but without being stupid enough to try and hog the limelight.
its simply been a cabinet reshuffle. Musical chairs
Because the timer on his assessment only just started. Mind you he didn't even appoint Murtough, Fletcher or anyone. He met the structure in place, if he doesn't improve it or its efficiency he'll be next for scrutiny.
Watching Goldbridge on The United Stand right now and while its hilarious he is spot on when he says that Richard Arnold is the worst CEO we have ever had.... after a few months.
He is making Ed Woodward look like a devastating loss for the club.
He is making Ed Woodward look like a devastating loss for the club.
If the core operating part of a business is badly languishing, the CEO cannot simply say I've let Murtough deal with it. And if Mourtough cannot deal with it, the CEO cannot simply say well the guy I delegated this task to didn't do a good job, I'm no to be blame here.
This summer has nothing to do with past regimes it's all happening on Arnold's watch. Right now he's enhancing Woodwards reputation
The correlation is that these guys have been playing musical chairs in the hierarchy ever since Fergie left. Just because Woodward is gone doesn’t mean the problem is solved. The core is still rotten with his mates stinking up the place.
Manchester United is a football club. A football club has to flourish on the pitch. The commercial side is flourishing solely because of the past glory on the pitch. Arnold played no role in any of that past glory.
He is the CEO now and is responsible for the DoF position. Just a month ago he was quoted saying the DoF is working hard day and night to get the transfer business done. So he seems satisfied with the work his DoF is doing.
The question is, why is Fletcher getting a free pass, and what exactly is his job.
We're making money now because we last won the league nearly 10 years ago? Yeah, that's not how business works.
What point are you trying to make exactly? You want Arnold to sack Murtough right now?
Arnold was merely just trying to calm some hyseterical fans down with what he said. The amount of hours somebody works isn't going to be the barometer he'll be using when weighing up whether this transfer window was successful or not ffs.
Now the shit got serious. I bet he wouldn't like to go to pub spouting his lies again to the fans' anytime soon.
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I'll give Arnold a free pass for this season if he sacks that sad joke of a DOF and employ an experienced/effective one.
Because he had a couple of beers with the lads and paid for it himself.
Better man than Laporta
Another shout at the clouds thread.
I suggest people actually have some patience with Arnold and the changes he has implemented, give them time to actually bear fruit.
I suggest people actually have some patience with Arnold and the changes he has implemented, give them time to actually bear fruit.
What is almost as worrying for me is this. With reportedly at least 2 “bargain basement” signings due, this is adding to an already massively bloated squad that is stuffed with mediocrity. The bulk of that bloat is comprised of players who are so poor that no other clubs seem to want them on loan or even a free. This appalling transfer & scouting policy, that is now seemingly in the process of signing further “has beens”, is now endemic at the club and is cyclic and self perpetuating and is driven from the very top. Is this actually a club worthy of actually being supported anymore or are fans merely supporting the name of the club? Sad. So very sad.
He gets a free pass from me for now because he has at least put a structure in place where he is not responsible for the football decisions. He also said that funds had been made available this summer and I’m inclined to believe him.
He will lose his free pass if he tolerates people beneath him doing a crap job. He has to at least give Murtough this summer but he shouldn’t be afraid to swing the axe if this window closes and we haven’t improved the squad. There has to be accountability. We can’t continue to accept abject dealings in the transfer market.
He will lose his free pass if he tolerates people beneath him doing a crap job. He has to at least give Murtough this summer but he shouldn’t be afraid to swing the axe if this window closes and we haven’t improved the squad. There has to be accountability. We can’t continue to accept abject dealings in the transfer market.
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Who’s this guy? The accountant?
Facts internal promotions from individuals within the background of the hierarchy isn't going to change anything. United should have outsourced the DOF position to those who have shown competence at other clubs. Newcastle looking for Dan Ashworth, Chelsea looking to appoint Michael Edwards and Glick who was an executive at City. You can almost guarantee that both clubs will show more competence in their operations 24 months down the line due to the changes being made.
The notion that things take time is also rubbish, Spurs were an absolute mess under Nuno, they appoint Paratici and the narrative had totally changed almost immediately. United is full of the wrong people from the Glazers down to just above the first team.
Looking clueless in the stands.
Can he meet me the pub? I have a few questions
It’s not a United game without some lingering shots of clowns in suits.
Imagine if he ran into the fans now. Would get bottled.
And to think people were standing up for this fraud.