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Why Man Utd’s Treble In 1999 Would Always Be Superior To Manchester City’s In 2023 (F365 article)
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When did we swat one of the top contenders 4-0? Don't remember that.Are you sure you even watched United in CL in 1999. If you did you certainly wouldnts write that.
Rollercoaster ride.
We scraped through against Juve and got bent over against Bayern.
City are going to stroll to the trophy. More impressive even if more boring.
This is embarrassing. If they win the trebel all ifs and buts is a treble.
Saying it's hollow, cheating etc would mean nothing coming from United fans
Saying it's hollow, cheating etc would mean nothing coming from United fans
On a basic level I think there's just generally less emotional investment in City winning.
Partly because fewer people care about City as a club, partly because instead of feeling like an unlikely triumph it instead feels like the inevitable conclusion to a very well implemented plan based on significant financial cheating. Whereas when we won (whether you liked us or despised us) it actually felt against-the-odds.
It isn't just about us either. Much though I dislike Liverpool, them winning their first league win in 30 years felt way more significant and compelling a football story than any of City's title wins in recent years.
If people want to argue that this City side are better than that United side or that they've dominated their opponents more than we did, that's one thing and there's an argument to be had. But it terms of the achievement itself their treble only feels significant from the perspective of fair play within football. Beyond that it's kinda what you expected to happen, like Lance Armstrong winning another race.
Partly because fewer people care about City as a club, partly because instead of feeling like an unlikely triumph it instead feels like the inevitable conclusion to a very well implemented plan based on significant financial cheating. Whereas when we won (whether you liked us or despised us) it actually felt against-the-odds.
It isn't just about us either. Much though I dislike Liverpool, them winning their first league win in 30 years felt way more significant and compelling a football story than any of City's title wins in recent years.
If people want to argue that this City side are better than that United side or that they've dominated their opponents more than we did, that's one thing and there's an argument to be had. But it terms of the achievement itself their treble only feels significant from the perspective of fair play within football. Beyond that it's kinda what you expected to happen, like Lance Armstrong winning another race.
City also steamrolled teams in their group stages. And although we beat Juve I think "outplayed" then is a little biased, no?
But we were also scraped through by a hair against Arsenal in the cup. Although to be fair, Arsenal have pretty much bottled the league against Citeh like they did against us, so that's comparable.
If City win the treble then it is against a backdrop of 115 charges, if they are found guilty then it is indeed a hollow achievement and punishment will follow, however,
if they are cleared then they deserve the plaudits, we simply have to wait and see before we make any comparisons to the Utd treble winning side of 1999.
if they are cleared then they deserve the plaudits, we simply have to wait and see before we make any comparisons to the Utd treble winning side of 1999.
Juve were recognised as the best team in the world at the time. After going 2-0 down within 13 minutes, we absolutely murdered them. Juventus had Zidane, Dechamps, Conte, Davids, Inzaghi all in their prime. It would have been the equivalent of Man City knocking out RM 8 years ago after going 2-0 down at the Bernabou in the second leg.
Piss poor WUM attempt. Try again.
It was a rollercoaster ride though. Is that a bad thing now? It was awesome. Being 2-0 down at Juventus after 10 minutes and being ahead on away goals thirty minutes later is better than any rollercoaster.Are you sure you even watched United in CL in 1999. If you did you certainly wouldnts write that.
Rollercoaster ride.
i think the players will feel exactly the same, but as fans, feel free to bring up past glory every time another team is winning while we lose.
"You just won, but it won't be as good as when we won almost 25 years ago!!!"
who cares...we live in the present. Do you have a Time Machine?
city could win 3 more trebles and people would still say "yeah.. but we won ours first.. haha!"
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It was definitely a rollercoaster ride. That SF Vs Arsenal, the last minute goals etc but what seems to have been forgotten is the quality of our football.Are you sure you even watched United in CL in 1999. If you did you certainly wouldnts write that.
Rollercoaster ride.
What utter nonsense!!
Do you even try to understand that the footballing side of City is enabled due to them circumventing and breaking FFP rules?
This City team isn’t their best in my opinion. Also the United team played much better competition domestically and in Europe.
People going on about Madrid but their decline this year is clear (they could have even lost to Chelsea if Chelsea wasn’t so shite)
Comparing United’s treble with City’s potential treble is, to use a cycling analogy, like comparing Greg Lemond’s Tour wins with Lance Armstrong’s. City are “unbelievable” in that sense.
It was a rollercoaster ride which made the season so great and memorable. The team just never accepted defeat. We were a very attacking side which left us open at times.
It started as early as the early round FA Cup game against Liverpool when Owen scored in the 2nd minute or so. We then scored a late equaliser before Solskjær won it (probably the 2nd most important goal he ever scored for us).
We then went behind in the 2nd leg against Inter, went behind in both games against Juve, played a man down in the FA Cup semi against Arsenal AND Schmeichel needed to save a penalty, went behind against Spurs on the final day in the league while needing a win, then before we could even properly feel that a CL final had started, we already went behind.
I was actually shocked we weren’t behind in the FA Cup final.
That team just knew how to create chances and score goals, no matter the situation or opponent.
It started as early as the early round FA Cup game against Liverpool when Owen scored in the 2nd minute or so. We then scored a late equaliser before Solskjær won it (probably the 2nd most important goal he ever scored for us).
We then went behind in the 2nd leg against Inter, went behind in both games against Juve, played a man down in the FA Cup semi against Arsenal AND Schmeichel needed to save a penalty, went behind against Spurs on the final day in the league while needing a win, then before we could even properly feel that a CL final had started, we already went behind.
I was actually shocked we weren’t behind in the FA Cup final.
That team just knew how to create chances and score goals, no matter the situation or opponent.
1989 I think.
Well I watched that match and United were second best for 90 min. A prime example of a smash and grab win.Are you sure you even watched United in CL in 1999. If you did you certainly wouldnts write that.
Rollercoaster ride.
The point was about English teams in Europe though, not Bayern. In 1999, it was seen as a big deal for an English team to overcome an Italian team like that away from home in a comeback.
Yeah we were probably as good a side in 1999-00 overall, if not better. But we had to pull out of the FA Cup for the Club World Cup thing/favour to try to get England the World Cup. And then just one bad game in the CL against Real Madrid in Old Trafford and that was that.
Apart from Citys blatant cheating, Uniteds will be better because:
1. Beckham, Butt, Scholes, Giggs and the Nevilles. Pretty much half of the first team were academy products.
2. Beating a great Arsenal side (who had come off a double the year before) to the title and in an FA Cup semi final. No teams going up against City come close to that side.
3. Far harder run (and far better teams) in Europe at that time Barca, Inter, Juve and Bayern twice. Most of those sides would beat 95% of this seasons CL teams.
4. The 99 side actually won the treble....City haven't actually won 3 trophies yet (or even 2).
1. Beckham, Butt, Scholes, Giggs and the Nevilles. Pretty much half of the first team were academy products.
2. Beating a great Arsenal side (who had come off a double the year before) to the title and in an FA Cup semi final. No teams going up against City come close to that side.
3. Far harder run (and far better teams) in Europe at that time Barca, Inter, Juve and Bayern twice. Most of those sides would beat 95% of this seasons CL teams.
4. The 99 side actually won the treble....City haven't actually won 3 trophies yet (or even 2).
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What I wanted to say also. Our one touch football peaked in that season, breathtaking at times. City, not so much
Wrongly so, because back then there were no farmer leagues.
Given that Bosman Law wasn't a thing yet, so it was uncommon for talented players to play abroad strengthening foreign clubs, while weakening their home league.
Utd were second best but we also had our two first choice centre midfielders missing.
It wasn’t nearly as one-sided as often gets reported now though. The early goal allowed Bayern to be confident and they got chances through Utd chasing an equaliser as much as anything. We had chances before the two corner kicks.
There were plenty of farmer league teams in the EC, it was much easier to win but was far harder to get in to, today it's the opposite
In 1968 to get to the final United played Hibernians of Malta, Sarajevo, Górnik Zabrze and Real Madrid, in 1978, Liverpool played 1st round Bye, Dynamo Dresden, Benfica and Borussia Mönchengladbach
Why is it embarassing to say it's hollow if they have allegedly (most likely) cheated their way to a treble? Why would that mean nothing coming from a United fan? Since when have we had 115 charges levied against us?
Sure the way they will win the treble is impressive in a pure domination sense, but they cheated to get there so feck 'em. There's no romaticism about their treble, it was always just a case of when not if they would get it.
Football has changed, the concept of top leagues is modern, due to the massive money put into Football.
You can't look at names cause 70s football was pretty much different than modern football, and there were not 6-8 teams concentrating best talent in the world while letting scraps for the rest like it happens now.
Guardiola wouldn't be able to print his football brand with only 3 foreigners allowed per team.
Of course it's changed, but I was referring to the point saying there were no farmers leagues back then, there were
Because we're in bad position anything else is sour grapes.
The best way is to knuckle down and win it back
I've been laughing at RAWK for years for their "yeah they're so boring to watch" or "they're just buying everyone cliche". And i enjoy their reveling.
Why is there a need to compare anyway?
Different eras, different opponents, different many more other factors. It’s like comparing Puskas with Ronaldo, and Maradona with Messi. Compare Messi with Ronaldo, that’s fine (and interesting enough).
Different eras, different opponents, different many more other factors. It’s like comparing Puskas with Ronaldo, and Maradona with Messi. Compare Messi with Ronaldo, that’s fine (and interesting enough).
Yes, calling all leagues except EPL farmer leagues, especially ones from the past is so wrong.
What about games prior to the final?
I meant the CL but yes, FA cup was a rolloercoaster and that's what made the whole thing so special.
So you should remember the past only when you're winning and other team is losing?
I bet you're great at parties.
What about coming from other club fans'?
Sure. Helps abit. But i dont think fans care too much about other clubs achievement other than theirs
Do you remember 9 treble winners? When? Who? What? How? At most it's oh it's them
That doesn't change the fact City is facing 115 charges.
15 years ago today we won sounds shit when the other team are winning it today.
Been there in 1999, dont give a feck when the Scousers yell but we won it 5 times or waving 19 on our face. I laughed in amusement seeing how they try to belittle our treble calling We're lucky, brown fergie envelope, etc.
Because.. we actually won the bloody thing
They tamper with their financial and sponsor yes. But they still play better football than us.
Even then we're hardly 2nd behind them. It'll be Liverpool with 3 title. I dont know which is worse. City got docked and the title given to the scouse? Buy i think we got 2 for Mou and ole 2nd.
Still...
City fan in disguise most probably.
Nobody denies they play better football. Nor that they cheated and if they havent they wouldnt have been able to afford all the players they have.
There's a strange trend developing online where people seem to think the late 90s was like the medieval times.
So we shouldnt ever remember and create threads about past glories just cause we havent won it in a while?
I simply dont get this logic. We should all feel sorry for ourselves and repeat every day how shit we are and how great Cityis.
I'm not sure, did you call City best PL team ever already. I didnt see that in 5 of your posts.
Do you think they're the best PL team ever?