Will Müller break Klose's record?

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What's the rule for top scorer if two players are tied by the way? I think at the Euro the player with less minutes on the pitch won it, if I'm not mistaken. What's the rule at the World Cup? Number of assists or also the goals/minute ratio? He needs one more goal to surpass James, if the number of assists counts and if Messi doesn't run riot in one of the last two games, he could be the first player to win the golden boot twice. That would already be insane if we look at his age.
 

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What's the rule for top scorer if two players are tied by the way? I think at the Euro the player with less minutes on the pitch won it, if I'm not mistaken. What's the rule at the World Cup? Number of assists or also the goals/minute ratio? He needs one more goal to surpass James, if the number of assists counts and if Messi doesn't run riot in one of the last two games, he could be the first player to win the golden boot twice. That would already be insane if we look at his age.
Goals + Assists

2010 won Müller while he has more Assists.
 

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I can watch this over and over again, one of my favourite Müller goals.

And to answer the question, I think he will break the record. If he goes on like this, I don't see why not. Hopefully he stays fit and is able to play in at least 2 more WCs. Excellent player and his stats at the WCs are simply outstanding.
 

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Pretty sure Müller would be damn happy about that and everyone who comes up with the 'Klose is only up there because he scored against minnows in the group stages' argument would look like a complete fool ;).


Müller is pretty much the perfect example why elegance fools people when it comes to technique. Müller looks clumsy as hell more often than not, but his passing in the final third is very smart and efficient. He controls the ball in his own style, but he does control it. His passes almost always have the perfect weight and his vision is exceptional. His shooting technique is great as well, he usually hits the ball incredibly well and doesn't look for a wonder strike but a great controled finish, watching the defenders and the goalkeeper and aiming for the hole in the defense. He probably lacks the power in his shot to score a lot from outside the box, but other than that his technique is outstanding.

I remember how I was blown away by his goal against Roma in 2011. Does he look elegant when doing it? Certainly not, but that's brilliant technique and it definitely wasn't a fluke.


Oh and I'm very thankful that he makes sure that my Müller > Robben comments don't look totally insane at the moment :lol: .
I once read an interview by Bergkamp, in the magazine Blizzard, and he was asked why he used to go for great wonder goals instead of tap ins and simple finishes, his answer was simple. He didn't do it to look like some genius, but simply because the more difficult a goal is to score, the more difficult it is to stop as well. He did what was least expected by the keeper and defenders. He would be on the edge of the box, and might choose a lob instead of a placed finish in the corner, and it was simply because the keeper would expect a placed finish a lot more than a lob at that moment, and he will attempt to go for a save with that in mind, and Bergkamp didn't want to give him any chance to get anything on it whatsoever. To me it made a lot of sense, and needed someone with the composure and technical brilliance of Bergkamp to constantly do it. I would like to believe a lot of "wonder goals" are done with this very intent.
 

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Oh and I'm very thankful that he makes sure that my Müller > Robben comments don't look totally insane at the moment :lol: .
we Bayern supporter are blessed. Two truly special players fighting for one position.
But it's a curse as well, I cant decide who I want to play before nearly each game and really sad if one of them needs to sit on the bench.
 

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I once read an interview by Bergkamp, in the magazine Blizzard, and he was asked why he used to go for great wonder goals instead of tap ins and simple finishes, his answer was simple. He didn't do it to look like some genius, but simply because the more difficult a goal is to score, the more difficult it is to stop as well. He did what was least expected by the keeper and defenders. He would be on the edge of the box, and might choose a lob instead of a placed finish in the corner, and it was simply because the keeper would expect a placed finish a lot more than a lob at that moment, and he will attempt to go for a save with that in mind, and Bergkamp didn't want to give him any chance to get anything on it whatsoever. To me it made a lot of sense, and needed someone with the composure and technical brilliance of Bergkamp to constantly do it. I would like to believe a lot of "wonder goals" are done with this very intent.
I didn't mean that as a criticism. And while I agree that what Bergkamp said makes a lot of sense, Müller maybe is that one step ahead of what Bergkamp is describing and uses his vision to find more often than not the spot where the goalkeeper doesn't expect the ball. You can hardly criticise Müller's conversion rate. Different approach I guess and both work when executed on the highest level.
 

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we Bayern supporter are blessed. Two truly special players fighting for one position.
But it's a curse as well, I cant decide who I want to play before nearly each game and really sad if one of them needs to sit on the bench.
Müller ST, Robben RW, Lewandowski bench :D (LW would be possible for him though).
 

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It's impossible to tell, Messi who after coming off a great season in 09/10 didn't score a goal in 2010 so if it can happen to him it can happen to anyone, if the tournament does go ahead in winter 2022 Muller will be 33 and I can't see him being a starter for Germany then, if he scores a couple in the final then maybe but I think he'll end up on 13/14 World Cup goals.
 

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It's impossible to tell, Messi who after coming off a great season in 09/10 didn't score a goal in 2010 so if it can happen to him it can happen to anyone, if the tournament does go ahead in winter 2022 Muller will be 33 and I can't see him being a starter for Germany then, if he scores a couple in the final then maybe but I think he'll end up on 13/14 World Cup goals.
Never gonna happen. You can't compare any other NTs to the likes of Germany and Brazil. These two are by far the most consistent NTs in the post-WWII era of football. It's inconceivable that the attacking players in these teams could have a scoreless WC like a Maradona in '90 or Messi in '10, even if they're a million times inferior.
 

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Muller's being a twat, I used to hate him, what is he doing to me? My mind is telling me no, but my body...
 

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if that muller scores on sunday, he could win his second consecutive world cup golden boot. at 24.

(james has 6 goals and muller 5, but mullers 3 assists - james has 2 - would be the tiebreaker right?)
 

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if that muller scores on sunday, he could win his second consecutive world cup golden boot. at 24.

(james has 6 goals and muller 5, but mullers 3 assists - james has 2 - would be the tiebreaker right?)
If the Netherlands win today, then Messi could run riot against Brazil in the game for 3rd place and take that golden boot away from James or Müller :nervous: . Or Messi could just score a hattrick today.
 

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He's my favorite player next to Messi. Müller is absolutely a superstar, but not for the normal reasons. He appears to be a bit shit at everything, yet he's arguably the most effective player on whatever team he is on (at everything). The guy has vision, that's what we call it over here in North America anyways. He takes a glance at the pitch and he sees everything and is able to anticipate and piece together the puzzle that is the next 5 or 10s of play faster than anyone else.

You can't teach that. That ability makes you faster than you are, it makes you better than you otherwise would be.
What a load of shite.
 

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Great players like messi and ronaldo have only few goals at the world cup and the likes of klose and mueller are record breakers :lol:
 

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Great players like messi and ronaldo have only few goals at the world cup and the likes of klose and mueller are record breakers :lol:
Müller is easily one of the best players of this planet. But he is not from the south though. So yeah, we can have a laugh. :lol:
 

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Great players like messi and ronaldo have only few goals at the world cup and the likes of klose and mueller are record breakers :lol:
Ah, by the way, i forgot to say about Müller:

He's ALREADY 24 and he played 3 (in words, THREE) champions league finals where he even scored and won it. He played 1 euro semifinal and 2 WC semifinals (soon a final aswell) in tournaments where he trashed teams like Argentina and Portugal on his own, while great players like Ronaldo and Messi were losing 0-4. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Not to mention the countless titles he already won at his age.

This world is crazy!!!!
 

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He is not a flashy player, therefore he is shit!
He's not from the south. He has no flair. Not enough pace in FIFA aswell. And last but not least: He doesn't color his hairs. So he's average, maybe a bit shit.
 

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I once read an interview by Bergkamp, in the magazine Blizzard, and he was asked why he used to go for great wonder goals instead of tap ins and simple finishes, his answer was simple. He didn't do it to look like some genius, but simply because the more difficult a goal is to score, the more difficult it is to stop as well. He did what was least expected by the keeper and defenders. He would be on the edge of the box, and might choose a lob instead of a placed finish in the corner, and it was simply because the keeper would expect a placed finish a lot more than a lob at that moment, and he will attempt to go for a save with that in mind, and Bergkamp didn't want to give him any chance to get anything on it whatsoever. To me it made a lot of sense, and needed someone with the composure and technical brilliance of Bergkamp to constantly do it. I would like to believe a lot of "wonder goals" are done with this very intent.
There's surely no secret about this. :) Every goal scorer wants to score wonder goals and they make it look so simple and easy. Fact of matter is, it takes many many practices and talents to execute wonder goals. If it is easy (with those intent) everyone will be doing it. It also involves courages, mental strength and visions on top of ability.

I think coaches who have ability to spot talents will know who are able to do it and give them particular training and assistance. Players like Becks and Cantona used to stay behind after "normal" training to brush up special skills. There aren't many Bergkamp, Becks or Cantonas around for sure.

That said, many simple tap-ins look simple, but are they really?
 

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Ah, by the way, i forgot to say about Müller:

He's ALREADY 24 and he played 3 (in words, THREE) champions league finals where he even scored and won it. He played 1 euro semifinal and 2 WC semifinals (soon a final aswell) in tournaments where he trashed teams like Argentina and Portugal on his own, while great players like Ronaldo and Messi were losing 0-4. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Not to mention the countless titles he already won at his age.

This world is crazy!!!!
If only. We could be reigning world champions right now, if not for his ridiculous suspension.
 

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He will be tapping in goals for fun as a poacher in Russia 18. Better question is will he get more than 20?
 

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Interestingly James is on a similar pace, although there are no guarantees Columbia will make the WC each time like Germany.
 

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Brilliant movement. Take away everything else from his game and his movement alone just creates so many chances for himself and others. The idea his technique's not that good is mental though. Look at his assist for Schurrle's second goal - just perfect.
His technique isn't that good. Yesterday, often it looked that he struggled with the ball, although he still managed to keep it. But he is capable of doing amazing stuff. In terms of technique technically, while he is capable of brilliance, he is very inconsistent. His intelligence and movement are always brilliant. Also not to forget he is physically very gifted. It may not look like that, but he is both strong and quick. Brilliant player, love watching him and I fully expect him to beat Klose's record.
 
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He's also too slow to play in the premier league.
Yeah he only has 82-84 pace in FIFA, also high workrates for both attack and defense. That means he's useless because he is not in front of the enemies goal the whole time!


His technique isn't that good. Yesterday, often it looked that he struggled with the ball, although he still managed to keep it.

:lol:

You got mullered in the classic way!
 

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Interestingly James is on a similar pace, although there are no guarantees Columbia will make the WC each time like Germany.
Müller is only the third golden boot winner that scored more than 5 goals in the next tournament. And I think it is not more players that scored 5 or more in consecutive tournaments. The old Ronaldo scored 8 in one tournament, 4 and 3 in the other 2 tournaments.
 

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Thomas Muller, even though i never saw him much before 2010 I liked him just because he's called muller, proper German name. Infact everything screams German with him, Technically good but not absolute outstanding, brilliant mentality and just somehow finds a way, oh yes and he's good at them penalties too!
 

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He's got 10 already after tonight, and he's only 24. He's got 2 more good tournaments him and he's got this final to play in too. Assuming he is fit for the next 2 tournaments, what do we think? For me I think he can, and will.
He will, and when he does, he'll celebrate like he does on special occasions, by pretending he's doing a doggy style scene in a German porn folk musical.

 

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He's not from the south. He has no flair. Not enough pace in FIFA aswell. And last but not least: He doesn't color his hairs. So he's average, maybe a bit shit.
I suspect he doesn't sport a tattoo (wtf is he thinking?). His wife has a brain and a life herself which is not related to TV, modelling or singing. When they find out he doesn't even own an Aston, the players trade union will have no choice than to sack him.



 
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He can do it after matches like against Brazil, too...



Or prior to training sessions in the Maracana...

 

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I really like him, people say he's technically average but I don't buy it. His finishing is quality, that side foot from the edge of the box.. so hard to execute, his passing is good, decent pace and he can score of either foot, very penetrative player. Insane will to win, makes him come across cnutish.. but doesn't go missing. Top player, still misunderstood.
 

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One bad injury could change everything. But assuming he stays fit? I think he'll break it. The German's are consistently good at these tournaments.

Muller reminds me of Klose in this instance, not overly flashy (though certainly more flash and more skilled than Klose), but clever in his movement and a knack of being in the right place at the right time.